benchmark00
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Higher standard of posting exists on Pak Passion.
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*Official* Fourth Test at Chester-le-Street
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Maximas
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thought GIMH had sorted this **** out, nevertheless...
Adders: Don't try arguing with Benchy, he won't back down and has infinite cricket knowledge and even if you have a good point he destroys, argue with someone who is prepared to debate without completely demeaning you.
Benchy: Don't beat up on people who haven't had much experience with you, I know I hated you when I first arrived. Also, posts aren't bad just because you disagree, Adders has an opinion, so do you, don't try to pretend your posts are all facts, people see things differently and Adders obviously has a different interpretation of England's batting over the series and he has a right to that without being called "gash".
Adders: Don't try arguing with Benchy, he won't back down and has infinite cricket knowledge and even if you have a good point he destroys, argue with someone who is prepared to debate without completely demeaning you.
Benchy: Don't beat up on people who haven't had much experience with you, I know I hated you when I first arrived. Also, posts aren't bad just because you disagree, Adders has an opinion, so do you, don't try to pretend your posts are all facts, people see things differently and Adders obviously has a different interpretation of England's batting over the series and he has a right to that without being called "gash".
benchmark00
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Because Ian Bell made runs, it means every other player was out of form. Excellent.
Adders
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I didn't say that ****, I said that our batting unit as a whole have not performed to their level and I'm not prepared to lay 100% of the credit for that with your bowlers or their plans.
benchmark00
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I don't own the Australian cricket bowling unit so they're not my bowlers.
Adders
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Thanks for the tip Max
Since I've been here I have been amazed with the cricketing knowledge many posters have.....truly is very impressive and I may just as well have watched my first game of cricket yesterday compared to what some of these fellas seem to know, I don't doubt that Benchy is up there with the best of em. But there does seem to be a nasty streak of cricket snobbery and elitism that goes with it.........and if you say something these gurus don't agree with instead of debating the point they'd rather tell you you're talking Gash or your posting belongs on Pak Passion. Might know their cricket but they appear to be dead set dicks of people.
LongHopCassidy
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Oh Christ, you're adorable when you decide to be the debating equivalent of Arjuna Ranatunga.
Flem274*
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I'm hardly bum pals with Benchmark but from what I've read here he's hitting nails on the head.
Adders
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In all seriousness perhaps you'd like to summarise for me what those nails are he's hitting??
He made one post during our tête-à-tête yesterday where he attempted to clarify his position but every second line was laced with so much condescending bull**** that I refused to read through it and take it seriously. So I genuinely would like to know what he objects to in my stance that England have performed below par with the bat in this series??. I get that he wants to attribute more credit to the quality of the bowling than I'm willing to give (for the record it has been very very good), but that's just a difference of opinion and surely not worthy of this angst??
So what exactly have I posted that is such Gash cos I'd truly like to know.
Maximas
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never said I disagreed with his point ftr
EDIT: Only what he was saying about the cricket though
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hendrix
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Adders, I know this is partly trolling, but this really sums up the whole thing right here.
On the one part, you have Benchmark's, Fred's and Bambino's very well made point that a weakness of Cook has been exposed by good bowling.
And then straight after that you're reverting to the "3rd gear" comment.
The whole argument you've brought up individual players, when the reality is that 2 test squads have played 4 tests against each other. Your little individual picking and mixing as you choose is a little silly.
Well as i've already said Harris said in interview there plan to Cook is to trap him LBW, so the balls he has been caught driving at aren't good deliveries to a plan. They are loose wide ones that he nicks. Harris said the ball that got Cook 2nd dig at Durham was supposed to be an inswinger that he got wrong.
Maximas
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Giving to Bench here; the Aussies have painfully clear plans that Cook hasn't been able to counter. He's not woefully out of form and just because Siddle hasn't been regularly beating him with swinging demon balls which circle the stumps and sodomise him after removing the bails doesn't mean the bowling to him hasn't been excellent.
Let's not forget what a batting average is, it's just the arithmetic mean of a batsman's number of runs at bat and positively skewed at that. The distribution of Cook's innings':
The majority (66%) of his knocks are below 50 and, like in income distributions, the mean is heavily influenced by the occasional big knock as demonstrated by a median score of 27. The point is, a knock above 50 is far more unusual than one lower than 50 and a run of < 50 scores could last a series, let alone scores less than a ton. So this idea that because he's scored bugger-all this series that, because there's one opportunity left he's 'due', is basically bollocks. He could just get two more low scores. That doesn't mean he's out of form.
Let's not forget what a batting average is, it's just the arithmetic mean of a batsman's number of runs at bat and positively skewed at that. The distribution of Cook's innings':
The majority (66%) of his knocks are below 50 and, like in income distributions, the mean is heavily influenced by the occasional big knock as demonstrated by a median score of 27. The point is, a knock above 50 is far more unusual than one lower than 50 and a run of < 50 scores could last a series, let alone scores less than a ton. So this idea that because he's scored bugger-all this series that, because there's one opportunity left he's 'due', is basically bollocks. He could just get two more low scores. That doesn't mean he's out of form.
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They've clearly got more than one plan. Throwing the wide one is a plan a bowler should have in the kitbag to any batsman.
Anyway, again, that the dismissal wasn't exactly what Harris was trying says nothing about how to-plan the bowling in the lead-up to the wicket ball was which is way more important against good bats. If you're vaguely in the right area most of the time, you're in with a chance whether the ball moves or not. Harris still deserves credit for that. Against guys like this, still need to be good to get them out.
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Cabinet96
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Come on. Wide ones on a full/good length have never been a strength for Cook. Cook isn't a particularly hard person to bowl at, and any plans used for him aren't brilliant ones that have been masterminded by cricket geniuses. It's pretty well known that all you have to do is keep plugging away on and around off stump on a good to full length and hope for a bit of movement. Whether it be the ball nipping back and trapping him LBW, or the ball nipping away and taking the edge. The plan might be to get Cook LBW, but there's no way they're trying to get him LBW every ball. They bowl a lot of balls that are wide of off stump, and try to bring the odd one back in. Cook, either as a result of getting bogged down and losing patience, or because of the threat of the one that can come back, will sometimes poke at the wider ones, and edge them. It might not be the main way they're trying to get him out, but they're still good deliveries that expose a weakness in Cook's game.
Cook had the issue last summer against South Africa too, another highly disciplined seam attack, and in truth, hasn't been that prolific against anyone at home, ever, bar the Sri Lanka series a couple of years ago.