*Official* First Test at Trent Bridge

[BoyBrumby]

Just a cameo, but man Prior looked in good touch. Really shouldn't piss away form like that on jaunty thirties.

 

[GIMH]

"The wisdom of crowds" and other BS, etc.

Great review from Bell tho, but.

It might be the Bell review I'm thinking of actually

 

[Manee]

The Broad thing and comparison to Ramdin has problems of transitivity. In Holding's theory which seems sound, Ramdin is relevantly similar to Broad which warrants ICC condemnation and surely it was right to condemn Ramdin. However, Broad is no different to a thin nick and surely not walking for them is part of the game...

Sorry, graduated yesterday and getting out of my head everything I learned.

 

[grecian]

It might be the Bell review I'm thinking of actually

It was, the robot malfunctioned, we had to reboot.

 

[grecian]

I just made a "walker" reference to the "governor" from TWD, if he replies it still won't get better than Captain Kirk talking about Trott, but it will be a nice second.

 

[Cruxdude]

The short answer is that everyone knows that waiting for the umpire's decision is just the done thing but claiming a dropped catch isn't. It's not like Chris Broad just pulled the distinction out of his arse, >99.9% of the cricketing world would have agreed that claiming a dropped catch is much worse. There's a consensus, it doesn't matter if it's an arbitrary one.

What is the done thing and what is not should not be used to differentiate when the laws are being applied. Both of them cheated and either both should walk free or both should have some sanctions applied (need not be the same though). This whole "Spirit of the game" is just so arbitrary though.

 

[GIMH]

What is the done thing and what is not should not be used to differentiate when the laws are being applied. Both of them cheated and either both should walk free or both should have some sanctions applied (need not be the same though). This whole "Spirit of the game" is just so arbitrary though.

Broad didnt cheat. I don't give a **** about whether you think Ramdin did or not, but continuing to bat when the umpire says you're not out is definitely not cheating.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I just made a "walker" reference to the "governor" from TWD, if he replies it still won't get better than Captain Kirk talking about Trott, but it will be a nice second.

The fact that David Morrissey is a cricket fan is cause for tumescence alone, tbf.

& Andrew Lincoln is French, so he's likely to be onboard as well.

 

[grecian]

The fact that David Morrissey is a cricket fan is cause for tumescence alone, tbf.

& Andrew Lincoln is French, so he's likely to be onboard as well.

Let's just hope Lauren Cohan is a big Somerset and England fan, might not be likely, but you never know.

Gawd, I'm geeking myself out now, must stop before I start playing D&D.

 

[MW1304]

Should be more Bell love on this thread. What a player, I never had a doubt.

 

[kingkallis]

Worst Cricket Dismissal Ever - YouTube tops them all

Mind boggling, fielders didnt even appeal. Batsman didnt mind the decision. Jeeez!

 

[Ikki]

Broad didnt cheat. I don't give a **** about whether you think Ramdin did or not, but continuing to bat when the umpire says you're not out is definitely not cheating.

As pissed off as I was that Broad didn't go...you gotta accept that. Strauss said it correctly that staying put till the umpire decides is an agreed upon convention. It isn't considered against the spirit of the game.

Based on that, he wasn't in the wrong.

Generally though, it is hard not to compare it with Ramdin's act. It is a philosophical distinction. Although, I think you can't really do too much with these kinds of batting decisions. Where does one draw the line? Is the batsman himself always sure? How can you prove intention to deceive over an honest mistake?

 

[Pothas]

Yeah it is easy to make the comparison but we all just know it is different. If you think Broad should have walked then you think that players should always walk when they know they have hit the ball. Him not walking after a blatant edge is no worse than someone not walking from a tiny one that nobody has even noticed.

I have some sympathy for that view, in a perfect world I think everyone would walk but they don't and they never will. For that reason it is better that nobody does and leave it to the umpires.

 

[MW1304]

One distinction with the Ramdin thing is that it went to video replay, and was always going to due to it being an issue of whether it carried only. Why the **** he didn't just own up and accept that he hadn't caught it when it was inevitably going to be found out? He was trying to cheat the system, or hope it didn't get picked up.

 

[zaremba]

1. Greatest Test in years.
2. No-one who criticises Broad for not walking can expect to be taken seriously.
3. All in all, as Wally Hammond might say, a fine ****ing way to start a series.

 

[Jarquis]

I'm sorry, I appreciate the point Nass and Sky are trying to make about the difference between side/over spin and the effect on bounce but the graphic they just showed then shows the ball is getting half a ball height higher each delivery which is not vast and can be attributed somewhat to the difference in height of point of delivery of the bowlers anyway.

 

[theegyptian]

The ECB press guy is a genius. The whole of the press have been complaining about getting no interviews/press conferences with Pietersen since the SA stuff last summer. So they wheel Pietersen out today of all days to do all the press when no-one really is interested in what KP has to say. Someone has a wicked sense of humour.

 

[Manee]

I'm sorry, I appreciate the point Nass and Sky are trying to make about the difference between side/over spin and the effect on bounce but the graphic they just showed then shows the ball is getting half a ball height higher each delivery which is not vast and can be attributed somewhat to the difference in height of point of delivery of the bowlers anyway.

Yes. That graphic was hilariously bad. Probably mainly just trying to show off the 'average bounce' feature, which must have taken some work.

 

[social]

Don't know why people are complaining about Broad not walking as he is hardly Robinson Crusoe in that regard and he never thinks he's out anyway (the **** wants a review when all 3 stumps are lying on the ground).

 

[social]

Anyway, great day for England

Until the second new ball, Oz had bowled well enough to deserve a lot more from it but they simply had no luck whatsoever whilst England had it by the truck-load

Unfortunately, cricket is like that and I had a feeling we were in for a tough day from the time that KP inside-edged the first boundary of the day and hit the second off a leading edge