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*Official* First Test at Swalec Stadium, Cardiff

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Show me where I've expressed genuine dislike for any of their other players. Said that Siddle was a **** but in a good way.

If anyone else said it - I'd comment - but not to the same extent, because my whole point is that he's a hypocrite. Someone who has chased an umpire down when they've just got a decision right is in no position to talk about upholding the spirit of cricket. That's the top, middle, and bottom of this issue.
 

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Australian Captain Questioned At Press Conference
Shocked Into Responding At Length Against His Will
:laugh:

It's funny how everything he says gets under you guys's skin when the rest of the world doesn't seem to have a clue what the fuss is about.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Tbh I am one of Ponting's biggest detractors but think people are making too much of an issue out of this. Invariably in a situation like the one at Cardiff, one team is bound to time stall while the opposing captain is bounc to express his disappointment for the opposing team doing so.

With that being said, it always particularly riles me when Ponting talks about the morality of the game and how his foul-mouth group of Aussies are the only ones playing within the spirits of the game.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
:laugh:

It's funny how everything he says gets under you guys's skin when the rest of the world doesn't seem to have a clue what the fuss is about.
TBF I reckon the Indians (one sixth of the total human population, or thereabouts) have some clue after their last tour down under. You might've missed it but there was quite the to-do.

Several rimes Ponting's behaviour has fallen below what one would expect of the position he holds, including the blatant dissent he showed when the "catch" he took was (correctly) turned down in the test just ended.
 

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TBF I reckon the Indians (one sixth of the total human population, or thereabouts) have some clue after their last tour down under. You might've missed it but there was quite the to-do.

Several rimes Ponting's behaviour has fallen below what one would expect of the position he holds, including the blatant dissent he showed when the "catch" he took was (correctly) turned down in the test just ended.
Haha, I don't get what the fuss is about when the Indian fans get cranky regarding Ponting either. He wasn't given a crucial decision and got mildly annoyed? By God, what a horrible man.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Anyway, fwiw (and I have to say this because there's only so many conspiracy theories one can set store in), England didn't draw through any time wasting. They did it because Collingwood, Anderson and Monty batted really well. So did Swann, but he's a ****.
In all honesty, Fred deserves some credit as well - not his natural game and he lasted an hour and a half, more than 4 of the top 6 put together.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Haha, I don't get what the fuss is about when the Indian fans get cranky regarding Ponting either. He wasn't given a crucial decision and got mildly annoyed? By God, what a horrible man.
It's not being mildy annoyed, it's walking down to the umpire brandishing the ball like an enraged chimpanzee clutching a fresh turd. If you consider such displays worthy of the Australian captain we'll have to agree to disagree. In any event it's hardly the first time he's shown dissent and, as others have pointed out, by so doing he opens himself to accusations of humbuggery when he invokes The Spirit of Cricket™.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It's not being mildy annoyed, it's walking down to the umpire brandishing the ball like an enraged chimpanzee clutching a fresh turd. If you consider such displays worthy of the Australian captain we'll have to agree to disagree. In any event it's hardly the first time he's shown dissent and, as others have pointed out, by so doing he opens himself to accusations of humbuggery when he invokes The Spirit of Cricket™.
Sorry but it's time to inject a dose of reality into this "debate"

The only reason why this "subject" is open for discusssion is that the Eng media needed something to deflect our attention away from Eng's PITIFUL performance

The Eng batsmen did what every cricket team has done since the beginning of time but in a completely ridiculous fashion (waste time by all means but 2 interventions in 2 balls is complete crap)

Ponting and the Oz fieldsmen were over the top in the last session but so were Monty, Prior, etc who "appealed" for every delivery that came within 2 feet of the stumps and took the bails off to boot and all whilst conceding approx 700 runs

Ponting was incredibly gracious with his after match comments

Move on people, there's nothing more to see here
 
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BoyBrumby

Englishman
Sorry but it's time to inject a dose of reality into this "debate"

The only reason why this "subject" is open for discusssion is that the Eng media needed something to deflect our attention away from Eng's PITIFUL performance

The Eng batsmen did what every cricket team has done since the beginning of time but in a completely ridiculous fashion (waste time by all means but 2 interventions in 2 balls is complete crap)

Ponting and the Oz fieldmen were over the top in the last session but so were Monty and Prior who "appealed" for every delivery that came within 2 feet of the stumps and took the bails off to boot and all whilst conceding approx 700 runs

Ponting was incredibly gracious with his after match comments

Move on people, there's nothing more to see here
As I've said Ponting is quite within his rights to say we indulged in gamesmanship, no-one is going to disagree save those who might be fined by the ICC for admitting it, but when Ponting says (& I quote) "We came to play by the rules and the spirit of the game" he's attempting to stake a claim to the moral high ground. After his blatant dissent (and it was), he leaves himself open to accusations of hypocrisy, no?
 

four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
Sorry but it's time to inject a dose of reality into this "debate"

The only reason why this "subject" is open for discusssion is that the Eng media needed something to deflect our attention away from Eng's PITIFUL performance

The Eng batsmen did what every cricket team has done since the beginning of time but in a completely ridiculous fashion (waste time by all means but 2 interventions in 2 balls is complete crap)

Ponting and the Oz fieldsmen were over the top in the last session but so were Monty, Prior, etc who "appealed" for every delivery that came within 2 feet of the stumps and took the bails off to boot and all whilst conceding approx 700 runs

Ponting was incredibly gracious with his after match comments

Move on people, there's nothing more to see here
Like this English media? ;)

ANDREW Strauss is either a weak leader or has no idea about the spirit of cricket.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
As I've said Ponting is quite within his rights to say we indulged in gamesmanship, no-one is going to disagree save those who might be fined by the ICC for admitting it, but when Ponting says (& I quote) "We came to play by the rules and the spirit of the game" he's attempting to stake a claim to the moral high ground. After his blatant dissent (and it was), he leaves himself open to accusations of hypocrisy, no?
I'm no Ponting fan (other than as a batsman) but he does have the high moral ground in this case

Furthermore, if it does nothing more than distract Eng from resurrecting their Ashes' planning, good on him but I think it was simply a gracious answer to an inflammatory question
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I'm no Ponting fan (other than as a batsman) but he does have the high moral ground in this case

Furthermore, if it does nothing more than distract Eng from resurrecting their Ashes' planning, good on him but I think it was simply a gracious answer to an inflammatory question
You seem to be repeatedly ignoring the blatant fact that he had a huge display of dissent and intimidated the umpires which is worthy of a trip to the match referee's room at the very least.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
I'm no Ponting fan (other than as a batsman) but he does have the high moral ground in this case

Furthermore, if it does nothing more than distract Eng from resurrecting their Ashes' planning, good on him but I think it was simply a gracious answer to an inflammatory question
Well sorry, but then you're either condoning dissent or indulging in a cheesey bit of moral relativism. Ponting didn't say "We're not going to go as far against the spirit of the game as the poms", did he? No equivocation in his statement, "We came to play by the rules and the spirit of the game".

You've fallen short then, Ricky.
 

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
Sorry but it's time to inject a dose of reality into this "debate"

The only reason why this "subject" is open for discusssion is that the Eng media needed something to deflect our attention away from Eng's PITIFUL performance
A dose of reality! Excellent.

Sydney Morning Herald - Cheating Poms?

Sydney Morning Herald

The Age

The Australian

The Australian - "Time Bandits Get Away With It - England looks set to escape sanction for its disgraceful time-wasting tactics..."

That dose of reality was just what the doctor ordered. I feel much better now.

And thank goodness the Australian press isn't trying to deflect from Australia's failure to bowl out England's numbers 10 and 11 in 11.3 overs.
 

zaremba

Cricketer Of The Year
I'm no Ponting fan (other than as a batsman) but he does have the high moral ground in this case

Furthermore, if it does nothing more than distract Eng from resurrecting their Ashes' planning, good on him but I think it was simply a gracious answer to an inflammatory question
I think it'll have distracted Strauss and Flower for the precisely 15 minutes that it took their laughter to subside.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You seem to be repeatedly ignoring the blatant fact that he had a huge display of dissent and intimidated the umpires which is worthy of a trip to the match referee's room at the very least.
Utter nonsense

The umpires handled it perfectly adequately on the field and everyone has moved on - bar the the Eng supporters
 

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