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*Official* Fifth Test (The Oval, London) 27-31 July

Owzat

U19 Captain
what constitutes an off side wide these days?
"The ball will be considered as passing wide of the striker unless it is sufficiently within reach for him/her to be able to hit it with the bat by means of a normal cricket stroke."

pretty sure though, unless something changed, in LOIs there are marks to guide although reach is a funny concept in cricket especially when batsmen move around their crease and of course depends where they start from also

would think in the light of fairness to all they should have a fixed width to keep the bowlers honest, would have to switch around for leftie vs rightie
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
Good comeback by broad, brought his economy down heaps. I take it back, He should be alright for another 2 years reckon actually. Cant wait to see him remind rahane and pujji who daddy is again when he goes down there next year
oh yeah Broad daddy with his average of 61 will remind us all im sure
 

Victor Ian

International Coach
Wasn't basing it off ODI cricket cause Anderson didn't play any odi cricket at 35+ age ..

Here are the records of Hadlee and McGrath entering their 35th year till retirement in Tests :

Sir Richard Hadlee
1986-1990 :
26 Tests - 132 wickets @ 21.73

Glenn McGrath
2005-2007 :
19 Tests - 86 wickets @ 23.02


James Anderson
2017-2023*
61 Tests - 223 wickets @ 21.84

Anderson is the Sir Jack Hobbs of fast bowling
But Anderson earned those figures in the super bowling assistance era, whereas McGrath took his in the super batting assistance era.

How about Walsh? I seem to remember that he just got better and better with each year, average wise.
 

Silver Silva

International Regular
At least he didn't make the whole series about him
For example people were clapping Broad off in that first session as were his teammates, when really they should be like ..We've got to do better than that if we wanna win this game cause 2 more sessions like that and the Ashes will be gone .
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
For example people were clapping Broad off in that first session as were his teammates, when really they should be like ..We've got to do better than that if we wanna win this game cause 2 more sessions like that and the Ashes will be gone .
are you really peeved by a simple guard of honour
 

Andy19

School Boy/Girl Captain
England luck at home is never ending...

England should lost at home to India but got saved by rain and Covid India had all momentum.

^Lost it in between 3rd and 4th tests due to long delay

England should have lost 2019 series but got saved by Lyon missed stumping, a bad umpire and their captain.

England should have lost this series already but got saved by Lyon injury, Australia keeping Warner and coin Tosses/Australia choking.

^Also India as well helping them out in WTC final as well not to mention Captain a being bowler.
 

Owzat

U19 Captain
Forecast/radar suggests we might not get any more play today either if it's raining now.

Definitely going to make the last day fun if so.
80 overs yesterday, over rates are appalling. the powers that be definitely need to address time loss factors, would deter time wasting for starters.

Day 1 (81.4 overs) : England 54.4 overs, Australia 25.0 overs (2 overs for change of innings)
Day 2 (78.1 overs) : Australia 78.1 overs, no change of innings
Day 3 (80.0 overs) : England 80.0 overs, no changes of innings
Day 4 (27.5 overs)* : England 1.5 overs, Australia 24.0 overs (2 overs for change of innings)

*lunch, about as close to on track for the supposed 90 'minimum' as has been all Test, may as well aim for 75 'minimum' excluding changes of innings unless they intend to do anything about it other than fines and maybe ban after a while for the captain - not that you notice absences of captains much to show any reinforcement, much like the token FFP and racism fines in football

and before the predictable chorus of "England waste time blah blah blah..." as seems to be the way on this forum, this isn't about who does it, it is how to address the problem regardless of who does it, who benefits etc

- stop wasting time on drinks breaks, fielders can get a drink from 12th man at boundary and umpires can hold a flask for those not able to easily and want a drink

- cut the time down on reviews, don't need 15 (?) seconds to request IF it is an obvious error, and speed up reviews although they aren't that bad. I'd revert to the original set up on reviews and abandon the retention for "umpires call", if it isn't a clanger shouldn't be reviewing it - we know WHY they do, need a wicket, and really wouldn't want a side with no reviews not to miss out on a wicket lost, but ultimately they need to stop second guesses and review for the purpose intended

- speed over rate up, preference for me is batsmen choose bowler when rate is slow, but a timer and field changes minimalised and everyone has to be in position at elapsed time point

- time the bowlers overs, any behind rate get either "yellow card" and 2x equals miss next game or simply play in game, any bowler slow in bowling overs is taken out of the attack

- batsmen interfering with the over rate by delaying is warned and then given out next offence

- revise this nonsense about "artificial light" and also the end time cut-off, if light is good enough the they should play, under floodlights if it isn't, and start half an hour earlier for play lost to anything, rain or time wasted although enough other measures should make it only for rain.
 

kevinw

State Captain
The umps should have grown a pair yesterday and said if Murphy got Anderson out last night they'd have had to face an over anyway.
 

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
80 overs yesterday, over rates are appalling. the powers that be definitely need to address time loss factors, would deter time wasting for starters.

Day 1 (81.4 overs) : England 54.4 overs, Australia 25.0 overs (2 overs for change of innings)
Day 2 (78.1 overs) : Australia 78.1 overs, no change of innings
Day 3 (80.0 overs) : England 80.0 overs, no changes of innings
Day 4 (27.5 overs)* : England 1.5 overs, Australia 24.0 overs (2 overs for change of innings)

*lunch, about as close to on track for the supposed 90 'minimum' as has been all Test, may as well aim for 75 'minimum' excluding changes of innings unless they intend to do anything about it other than fines and maybe ban after a while for the captain - not that you notice absences of captains much to show any reinforcement, much like the token FFP and racism fines in football

and before the predictable chorus of "England waste time blah blah blah..." as seems to be the way on this forum, this isn't about who does it, it is how to address the problem regardless of who does it, who benefits etc

- stop wasting time on drinks breaks, fielders can get a drink from 12th man at boundary and umpires can hold a flask for those not able to easily and want a drink

- cut the time down on reviews, don't need 15 (?) seconds to request IF it is an obvious error, and speed up reviews although they aren't that bad. I'd revert to the original set up on reviews and abandon the retention for "umpires call", if it isn't a clanger shouldn't be reviewing it - we know WHY they do, need a wicket, and really wouldn't want a side with no reviews not to miss out on a wicket lost, but ultimately they need to stop second guesses and review for the purpose intended

- speed over rate up, preference for me is batsmen choose bowler when rate is slow, but a timer and field changes minimalised and everyone has to be in position at elapsed time point

- time the bowlers overs, any behind rate get either "yellow card" and 2x equals miss next game or simply play in game, any bowler slow in bowling overs is taken out of the attack

- batsmen interfering with the over rate by delaying is warned and then given out next offence

- revise this nonsense about "artificial light" and also the end time cut-off, if light is good enough the they should play, under floodlights if it isn't, and start half an hour earlier for play lost to anything, rain or time wasted although enough other measures should make it only for rain.
You need the umpires to step in and both overrates now. Fines aren't important and points just diminish the importance of the WTC
 

Preed

U19 12th Man
Why oh why had wood not bowled but the pie chucker Ali has.We really are in trouble after this series.No Broad and should be no Anderson and Ali.New men needed but selection should not be left to stokes alone as he has already got it totally wrong with Anderson and Ali.
 

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