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***Official*** English Football Season 2020-21

Uppercut

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sledger said:
Haha it annoys me too, but it makes sense though, no?

I mean it's not half time in the tie, like you say, but conceding a goal (or more than a goal) at that point could drastically alter the course of what's left to play. So whilst it's dire it is completely understandable imo.
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Conceding a goal at any time during a game could drastically alter the course of what's left to play...?
 
GIMH

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I hate going to the corner anyway.

Even a goal up in the 95th in a cup final I can't stand it.
 
sledger

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Uppercut said:
Conceding a goal at any time during a game could drastically alter the course of what's left to play...?
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Yeah but it's like batsman slowing down to just block out the last few overs of a day's play before coming back the next day, rather than going hell for leather with like 2 overs left. Take what you've got for now and come back fresh later on rather than unecessarily jeopardising what you've worked hard to achieve thus far.

In my mind, in the footballing context, the issue is essentially something like "We're knackered having worked our arses off to get a 1-0 lead. We can either stick the ball in the corner and keep the (favourable score) as it is. Or we can play (for lack of a better word) normally, and risk losing it (and with it, the benefit of coming into the next leg in a winning position)."

It's almost like the inverse of a team that is 1-0 down at the end of a first leg going hell for leather to try and equalise, and risking conceding a second on the break. Just not worth it.

Like I say I don't agree with it, but it makes total sense to me.
 
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Lillian Thomson

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Each to their own, but I prefer to swing it into the box direct from the corner. It’s not like you’re throwing everyone forward, you can still maintain your defensive shape at the back. Psychologically you may be more likely to waste time if you’re one up in the away leg rather than the home.
 
Uppercut

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sledger said:
Yeah but it's like batsman slowing down to just block out the last few overs of a day's play before coming back the next day, rather than going hell for leather with like 2 overs left. Take what you've got for now and come back fresh later on rather than unecessarily jeopardising what you've worked hard to achieve thus far.

In my mind, in the footballing context, the issue is essentially something like "We're knackered having worked our arses off to get a 1-0 lead. We can either stick the ball in the corner and keep the (favourable score) as it is. Or we can play (for lack of a better word) normally, and risk losing it (and with it, the benefit of coming into the next leg in a winning position)."

It's almost like the inverse of a team that is 1-0 down at the end of a first leg going hell for leather to try and equalise, and risking conceding a second on the break. Just not worth it.

Like I say I don't agree with it, but it makes total sense to me.
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I think the cricket analogy is a good one because it also doesn’t make competitive sense when cricketers do it either. What they’re doing in both cases is reducing their chance of winning the tie in order to manage their own emotions. A 1-0 win in the first leg allows you to go to bed happy that night, whereas if you concede an equaliser just before half time in a regular game, you don’t have to stew on it for long.

Didn’t Arsenal get dumped out by olympiakos one year by going all out and conceding to a counter at the end of the first leg? I remember Liverpool almost doing it against Barca too in the tie they ended up coming back from. The stupidity works both ways.
 
dontcloseyoureyes

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I generally agree with Uppercut in this argument but I do think fatigue can be a factor. End of 90 minutes and you've been through the ringer of a long season, I can see value in reducing risk and minimising your chances of error and taking the few days rest. Whether it actually statistically does so, or if it could even be measured is another thing.
 
Uppercut

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dontcloseyoureyes said:
I generally agree with Uppercut in this argument but I do think fatigue can be a factor. End of 90 minutes and you've been through the ringer of a long season, I can see value in reducing risk and minimising your chances of error and taking the few days rest. Whether it actually statistically does so, or if it could even be measured is another thing.
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Yeah this is completely true. The fatigue after 90 minutes changes the nature of games by a lot and if I was playing my instinct would definitely be to keep it tight.

But there’s keeping it tight and there’s keeping it tight. If someone tried to time waste from a corner I’d lose my ****. It never even ****ing works.
 
grecian

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Decent goal that, not going to lie.

Meh, you people are all too sporting, get it to the corner stick if you are ****ing leading, so many times under Tisdale, we pissed about so much in middle of the park near the end, cost us so many times.

Had my fill of football under him, come the end. Still broadly in favour of Tis, but he was an ideologue at times, when you were crying out for pragmatism.

Nothing better than scoring a vital goal after teams have been doing that **** for about 10 minutes though, and suddenly they have to hurry up.
 
Magrat Garlick

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grecian said:
Meh, you people are all too sporting, get it to the corner stick if you are ****ing leading, so many times under Tisdale, we pissed about so much in middle of the park near the end, cost us so many times.
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i don't think anyone are disputing that. uppercut is just pointing out that it's 2 legs and so it should be played that way. no one except galaxy brained field hockey players would take it to the corner stick in the 22nd minute
 
Furball

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Uppercut said:
Yeah this is completely true. The fatigue after 90 minutes changes the nature of games by a lot and if I was playing my instinct would definitely be to keep it tight.

But there’s keeping it tight and there’s keeping it tight. If someone tried to time waste from a corner I’d lose my ****. It never even ****ing works.
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You need better shithousery in your life.

Best I've seen was Rangers vs Motherwell in December. We were 2-1 up after a hard slog, kept the ball in the corner for 2 minutes straight and then fashioned a third goal out of it. Was magnificent after the worst display of anti-football I think I've ever seen.
 
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