Furball
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There are a lot of poor teams in the Premier League.
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***Official*** English Football Season 2019-20
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Not good but I just can't imagine it being much fun playing for Arsenal. Fans have really become the most miserable lot out there (this may not actually be true, it might just be that they get talked aboiut in the media more.) Is there anybody that enjoys anything there anymore?
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There was a great article about his time at Liverpool a few weeks back: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...-city-celtic-fsg-john-henry-epl-a9142616.html
I'm not saying he's a bad manager. He's been a pretty good tactician and motivator, and could do a job almost anywhere if he was willing to take a backseat on recruitment.
He's just far better at self-promotion than he is at management. He's responsible for like 10% of their performances and gets 90% of the credit. The main reason they're good is because Soyuncu, Ndidi, Vardy, Choudhry, Tielemans, Maddison, Pereira and Chilwell were brought in, mostly from obscurity, by the group that he fired immediately after joining the club. That's with the money from Maguire, Mahrez and Kante. He joined at a time when they were packed with excellent players on the way up but hadn't been getting the rub of the green for a few months, leaving behind a Celtic squad that he'd basically destroyed. Every time I hear people fawn over him I throw up in my mouth a little. It's like watching someone being completely taken in by the spin of a shiny-faced politician.
I'm not saying he's a bad manager. He's been a pretty good tactician and motivator, and could do a job almost anywhere if he was willing to take a backseat on recruitment.
He's just far better at self-promotion than he is at management. He's responsible for like 10% of their performances and gets 90% of the credit. The main reason they're good is because Soyuncu, Ndidi, Vardy, Choudhry, Tielemans, Maddison, Pereira and Chilwell were brought in, mostly from obscurity, by the group that he fired immediately after joining the club. That's with the money from Maguire, Mahrez and Kante. He joined at a time when they were packed with excellent players on the way up but hadn't been getting the rub of the green for a few months, leaving behind a Celtic squad that he'd basically destroyed. Every time I hear people fawn over him I throw up in my mouth a little. It's like watching someone being completely taken in by the spin of a shiny-faced politician.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
I wouldn't say he destroyed Celtic's squad. He'd just recruited really ****ing badly
He massively improved players like Tierney, McGregor and Forrest, but it's quite notable that Celtic's current side is a mix of Lennon's summer signings and club stalwarts who were at the club before Rodgers took over. Only Odsonne Édouard is a regular pick who was signed by Rodgers.
He massively improved players like Tierney, McGregor and Forrest, but it's quite notable that Celtic's current side is a mix of Lennon's summer signings and club stalwarts who were at the club before Rodgers took over. Only Odsonne Édouard is a regular pick who was signed by Rodgers.
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https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...dKzSNna7_6pZF9pQZq0au5S0wCNUCI1foR5Qc3r3HBms4
An absolute work of art.
An absolute work of art.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
The club has just lost its sense of fun I think. In days gone by, even when things were bleak, there was usually a decent spirit, and watching the games was fun and enjoyable. For whatever reason that just seems to be absent now.
sledger
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The stadium may have something to do with it, but there were plenty of years there where there were the remnants of the invincibles, and the Cesc years, which were all great and enjoyable in their own way. These days it all feels very... nothing really. The squad does not really have a lot of character, doesn't play particularly attractive football, and the best player is being frozen out by a manager who seems horribly out of his depth.
sledger
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Haha, great.
I like how that article contains a lot of stuff which can basically be described as not just terrible ideas for any football manager, but terrible ideas for any employee ever.
I mean, publicly blaming your bosses for things that were your categorically your fault, especially when you actively went against what they advised, is just madness in any job.
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sledger
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I'm just glad that it has long since been known that Tony Adams is an absolutely hopeless manager. Otherwise this would surely have been a thing.
Cabinet96
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The final Wenger years were made unenjoyable by all the narrative surrounding whether he should stay or go. It just engulfed everything. In 17/18 we won more games and scored more goals at the Emirates than Liverpool did at Anfield, but still had 10k+ empty seats a lot of the time. People had just given up. Under Emery the fanbase was ready to get invested against, the simple problem has been that we've played atrocious football under him. We play like a mid-table team that is able to punch above our weight because we have two great strikers, and the fanbase has no time for it because they've spent most of the last 20 years enjoying champagne football under Wenger.
sledger
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Yeah, if I had to pinpoint when things really began to slide it was a year or two before the Wenger exit. The calls for him to go escalated to a new level of nasty, and the atmosphere around things began to change. I remember the start of the season, and somehow it just did not feel right.
I always had the confidence (or at least optimism) that Wenger could somehow turn it round, and pull one last win out of the bag, but I remember thinking the summer when the only signing was Cech, "this is not enough". And knew that was likely the end of any chance of a last hurrah. Still. Should have won it in the Leicester year. Especially as they actually beat them twice ffs. Argh.
I always had the confidence (or at least optimism) that Wenger could somehow turn it round, and pull one last win out of the bag, but I remember thinking the summer when the only signing was Cech, "this is not enough". And knew that was likely the end of any chance of a last hurrah. Still. Should have won it in the Leicester year. Especially as they actually beat them twice ffs. Argh.
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I'm bearish on Arsenal short and medium term but think they'll be fine long term. The squad has plenty of quality but is very shabbily constructed, and I think Emery is the worst manager in the top flight after Steve Bruce. But their summer recruitment played a difficult hand very well, which suggests to me that they've got their act together at the upper management level, and they're strong commercially. It will take a few years to clean up the mess but I think they'll do it.
Contrast with United, where I don't think the mess would even be too difficult to clean up, but their persistently atrocious governance suggests that they won't even start any time soon.
Contrast with United, where I don't think the mess would even be too difficult to clean up, but their persistently atrocious governance suggests that they won't even start any time soon.
sledger
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I think so as well. But a lot of it is dependent on them booting the manager before much longer. Some players who are legit fantastic, like Auba, are considerably nearer the ends of their careers than the beginnings, and to make sure what is left of their best days are not squandered a change in regime is badly needed.
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Tbh I think it's too late to build a legit good team around Auba. For a rapid striker he's already defying his age. Mostly because his movement is so ****ing good he doesn't even need to sprint much.
sledger
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Yeah, definitely too late for that. But not too late for him to make a big contribution to the next iteration of the team imo. Transition back to an acceptable level will be a lot easier if he is still around and firing. If that process doesn't start till he's shot that will be dire.