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***Official*** English Football Season 2018-19

andmark

International Captain
The internet hasn't covered itself in glory with this. I've seen people complain of jokes about it and even someone advertising their banner design business in relation to this.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
5Live had some bloke on at lunch time that kept referring to Sala like he was already dead. "He was such a great player", "He will be missed" etc. The presenter had to keep interrupting to remind this guy that nothing was confirmed and the situation was ongoing. Pretty dire.

I mean, yeah it looks really ****ing bleak right now, but come on.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Seems very unlikely there will be good news - but not impossible I guess. Fingers crossed - so sad.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
It's obviously far from the most important issue, but I wonder what the legal implications are re:the paying of transfer fees in situations such as these.
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
It's obviously far from the most important issue, but I wonder what the legal implications are re:the paying of transfer fees in situations such as these.
I thought this almost as soon as I heard the news, but didn't think asking would be tactful haha. Great minds, as they say.
 

OverratedSanity

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It's obviously far from the most important issue, but I wonder what the legal implications are re:the paying of transfer fees in situations such as these.
I thought about this too... probably some insurance stuff involved that i wouldn't understand.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
I thought this almost as soon as I heard the news, but didn't think asking would be tactful haha. Great minds, as they say.
Haha, yeah, a delicate issue indeed.

I don't know a great deal about commercial law, but in general terms (as I understand it anyway) once you pay for something, and ownership of that thing is transferred (i.e. there is a contract of sale etc.), the purchaser is solely responsible for the thing.

So, if you buy a car from a dealer, drive it off the lot and straight into a tree, you are solely responsible for the car and the damage etc. The seller has no liability whatsoever, as they have jettisoned their legal interest in the car via the sale. If the car has been purchased on finance (i.e. monthly payments or whatever), the buyer will still be liable for making those payments.

That model does not map so well to football transfers though, because obviously we are talking about the "sale" of human beings (or at least their contracts) rather than commercial products etc. and because transfer deals are rarely made up of flat fees/monthly instalments etc...

Obviously the sensitivity of the whole thing means that this won't really be discussed for a while, but I can see there being some legal disputes between Cardiff and Nantes in relation to this as time goes on. If no money has been transferred between the two so far then things could get pretty ugly. Nantes will obviously validly be able to claim that they are entitled to the cash, as at the time Sala went missing he was officially no longer their player. Whereas Cardiff might raise a "we are not paying out for nothing, as we might as well just flush 15 million quid down the toilet" type argument.

Could get very messy. One hopes that both parties are insured in relation to this sort of thing, and that none of the above transpires. It's primarily a very human tragedy obvs, but there will be some corporate fat cats somewhere who are sweating over this.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
I thought about this too... probably some insurance stuff involved that i wouldn't understand.
Yeah normally footballer's contracts are insured to a crazy extent, given how much they can be worth. The issue in question here is that this incident has happened in such close proximity to the bloke's transfer, and whether the transfer has been formally constituted, that issues will likely arise about exactly who's insurance will be liable for anything.

The insurers of both clubs (assuming they are insured) could conceivably refuse to pay out, leading both clubs to adopt a "he's not our player, he's yours" stance.
 

MrPrez

International Debutant
Haha, yeah, a delicate issue indeed.

I don't know a great deal about commercial law, but in general terms (as I understand it anyway) once you pay for something, and ownership of that thing is transferred (i.e. there is a contract of sale etc.), the purchaser is solely responsible for the thing.

So, if you buy a car from a dealer, drive it off the lot and straight into a tree, you are solely responsible for the car and the damage etc. The seller has no liability whatsoever, as they have jettisoned their legal interest in the car via the sale. If the car has been purchased on finance (i.e. monthly payments or whatever), the buyer will still be liable for making those payments.

That model does not map so well to football transfers though, because obviously we are talking about the "sale" of human beings (or at least their contracts) rather than commercial products etc. and because transfer deals are rarely made up of flat fees/monthly instalments etc...

Obviously the sensitivity of the whole thing means that this won't really be discussed for a while, but I can see there being some legal disputes between Cardiff and Nantes in relation to this as time goes on. If no money has been transferred between the two so far then things could get pretty ugly. Nantes will obviously validly be able to claim that they are entitled to the cash, as at the time Sala went missing he was officially no longer their player. Whereas Cardiff might raise a "we are not paying out for nothing, as we might as well just flush 15 million quid down the toilet" type argument.

Could get very messy. One hopes that both parties are insured in relation to this sort of thing, and that none of the above transpires. It's primarily a very human tragedy obvs, but there will be some corporate fat cats somewhere who are sweating over this.
Is this actually true? I was under the impression that the deal was still subject to Sala securing a work permit - presumably a formality, but rendering the deal incomplete nonetheless.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Well yeah, that is what things will hinge on, and I rather suspect both clubs might have different views on this issue.
 

andmark

International Captain
I wouldn't want to be the person who first contacts the other club about it. The awkwardness would be unbearable.
 

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