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***Official*** English Football Season 2017/18

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Oh I'm not blaming the forriners for tekking the jerbs. It's just weird to see the same mediocre 5-6 names floating around the lower league clubs every time a vacancy pops up. Maybe there genuinely isn't any young/untapped managerial talent out there, I dunno.

The other problem I see with hiring these guys is that they are so short-termist. Sure, they're probably a safe bet to dodge relegation (except Moyes!), given that they'll somehow manage to convince the Chairman to splurge big in January on 2-3 trusted journeymen who've followed them around in every club they've managed so far. Then these "old professionals" will promptly have to be replaced when the next guy comes in. None of these managers seems to be any good at identifying and developing young talent, or getting their team to play cohesive attacking football.
 
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Uppercut said:
It's a bit weird that Eddie Howe hasn't got more job offers, having achieved promotion then sustained mid-table finishes playing good football at a tiny club. When they got promoted everyone thought they were nailed-on relegation fodder. He doesn't even seem to get a lot of hype, you'd expect the media to be all over an English manager performing at that level.
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I suspect people might be a bit suspicious of coaches like Howe these days. Moyes and Brent probably seen as significant cautionary tales for the really big clubs looking for up and coming coaches who do well with lesser sides etc.

That said I don't disagree with you at all. I suspect he'll next move to a team like Newcastle, or maybe Everton, a team that isn't truly big, but considerably bigger in stature than Bomo. If he continues to do well there I imagine a top job wouldn't be far off.
 
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vcs said:
Oh I'm not blaming the forriners for tekking the jerbs. It's just weird to see the same mediocre 5-6 names floating around the lower league clubs every time a vacancy pops up. Maybe there genuinely isn't any young/untapped managerial talent out there, I dunno.

The other problem I see with hiring these guys is that they are so short-termist. Sure, they're probably a safe bet to dodge relegation (except Moyes!), given that they'll somehow manage to convince the Chairman to splurge big in January on 2-3 trusted journeymen who've followed them around in every club they've managed so far. Then these "old professionals" will promptly have to be replaced when the next guy comes in. None of these managers seems to be any good at identifying and developing young talent, or getting their team to play cohesive attacking football.
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Yeah, fair enough.

I guess the short-term solution is pretty appealing when you're the chairman of the club and you are staring down the barrel at a relegation though, such are the financial consequences etc. The problem is, having sacked someone who is taking the club down, and having brought in someone who keeps them up by the skin of their teeth, clubs often fall into the trap of thinking "that's that then, the guy we've brought in will be good forever", but said guy is actually ********* and they end up in the mire again. This is basically what Sunderland did for years until it eventually caught up with them. Surprising we don't see more proactive sackings really. Southampton copped a lot of flack for booting out Adkins to bring in Poch, but I doubt you could find a single person who would now say that it wasn't a great decision. Stoke sacking Pulis should also be applauded, as with him in charge they had no further prospect of development, just a shame they replaced him with another odious **** who hasn't really improved them.

Regarding the manager merry go round though, you seem to get that with players a lot as well. I remember a time about ten or so years ago when teams that were promoted, or narrowly avoided relegation, just bought players from teams who had been relegated, which always made no real sense to me. Damien Francis and Zoltan Gera two notable examples off the top of my head.
 
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Neil Redfearn (sp) in the 90s went from Barnsley to Bradford to some other one season wonder in consecutive seasons.
 
Furball

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sledger said:
By being good and showing said goodness over time. People harp on about the foreign coaches tekkin' all the jerbs, but it's not like the majority of them just magically fell into managing a big club without paying their dues and establishing their credentials elsewhere, and those that did for the most part end up being really ****ing good anyway (e.g. Pep).

The problem with English managers is that so many ex players just turn out to be total crap as coaches (e.g. Merson, Adams etc.), or just do not have the tactical nous to compete at the elite level (e.g. Keegan, Hodgson, Warnock, Curbishley etc.), or just play utterly turgid football (e.g. Pulis, Allardyce etc.), or are just genuinely complete crap (e.g. Iain Dowie, Les Reed etc.), or they are just a bit/averagely crap (e.g. Brent).

Edit: Although Brent isn't technically English tbf. Nor Dowie.
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wtf, this misses the point, he's not blaming foreigners for taking all the jobs, he's saying young British coaches don't get a fair crack of the whip because teams cycle through the same failed coaches.

Quite what West Ham or West Brom have seen in the last 5 years from either Moyes or Pardew that made them seem like good appointments is beyond me.
 
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Furball said:
wtf, this misses the point, he's not blaming foreigners for taking all the jobs, he's saying young British coaches don't get a fair crack of the whip because teams cycle through the same failed coaches.

Quite what West Ham or West Brom have seen in the last 5 years from either Moyes or Pardew that made them seem like good appointments is beyond me.
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It's almost like...I was making a tangential point, and touching on a related issue.

Well done for trying to respond though. If you keep up the good effort one day you will get the hang of general discourse.
 
sledger

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**** I wiah they could get Ozil to re-sign. Maybe a bit of flat track bullying going on here, but when he gets the bit between his teeth he is absolutely mercurial. Wonderful player.
 
Spark

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Benjamin Mendy hobbling down the touchline to take a selfie with Sterling while the game was still going on is one of the ****ing funniest things I've seen in ages
 
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