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*Official* English Football Season 2016-17
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grecian
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Yeah, possibly, Newcastle and possibly 'uddersfield coming up though. Yet perhaps with all the Prem Teams with money to burn, players are going to be much more willing to go to the bright lights, if everyone of the mid-to-lower tier teams are paying the same.
BTW in my continued obsession that even at 36 Peter Crouch is better than Andy Carroll, Crouch 9 this season, Carroll 7. Yeah the Iron played less, but then he always does coz he's made of cheap china. Most over-rated footballer in the division, thank **** Can won goal of the season.
He'll give you "something different" though, yeah if that different thing you want is being crap 98% of the time, when he's not injured, which is more than half the time.
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wpdavid
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Maybe, but the North West has been stronger than the North East for decades, even if you extend the NE to Yorkshire. Leeds the obvious exception for a while, of course.
Regarding London, Chelsea are something of a one -off: loads of money to build a succession of good teams and an owner who seems able to identify the best managers. That could just as easily happen anywhere.
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I can't see Sunderland or Hull being anywhere near promotion, depends what happens with the ownership situation at Hull I suppose. Middlesbrough I suspect will be around the play-offs, the side they put out yesterday was a pretty good Championship one, pretty much every player in it had plenty of Championship experience and I can't see more than a couple of them being wanted by other clubs. Sunderland I think will be a bit like Villa this year, just so used to losing every week that it will take them a while to get over that.
On the other side you would have thought Newcastle will stay up pretty easily and I think Brighton will to, feel like the latest of those upwardly mobile clubs that tend to hand around, Swansea being the classic example. Reading or Huddersfiled will obviously start favourites for relegation.
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Think Sunderland are like Villa, a season of midtable nothingness to rebuild will do them good. Boro probably have the best chance as they have mostly the same squad that got promoted and I doubt they will lose anyone. Hull have a crazy owner so will struggle.
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Yeah, although they weren't playing well in the league back then either, and losing to Monaco seemed a lot worse at the time than it does now. Only really came into their own after leaving Europe, probably supports Furball's point.
I'd have said coherence was their biggest strength though, and their big shortcoming is squad depth. The drop off from Kane to Jannsen must be the biggest gap between first and second choice in the division.
vic_orthdox
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Surely the southern clubs are more likely to get investment from random gazillionaires than the north, in general?
Would you rather invest in Fulham/Brentford or Huddersfield/Barnsley etc. At least even for smaller clubs in the South, the locale makes it more attractive, no?
Would you rather invest in Fulham/Brentford or Huddersfield/Barnsley etc. At least even for smaller clubs in the South, the locale makes it more attractive, no?
Lillian Thomson
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I may be alone in this, but I think the turgid one at Manure was not as far from being competitive as the table suggests. The football in a lot of the home games mid-season wasn't as unattractive as people like to believe. Against mid to lower table teams they drew a lot of matches they could easily have won (I know a lot of teams drops points they feel they shouldn't have, but this was out of the ordinary). Had all the eggs not gone into the Europa basket they could easily have spoiled their way to extra points in some of the latter away games. I know ifs and buts are largely irrelevant and the managers a prick, but I just don't think they're in as bad a shape as they might appear.
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Yeah I don't think you're alone in this at all, seems like the silent-majority opinion to me. It's just no fun sticking up for Mourinho when you could be laughing at him.
Furball
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Exactly.
Places like Brighton and Bournemouth are coastal and not a million miles away from London. Way more attractive than Sunderland to live in.
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This is true, but it's becoming overused as an excuse. Location is one of the issues facing Sunderland, but it's not a club-killer. With their fanbase, stadium and catchment area they should easily be outperforming Swansea and Bournemouth anyway. In terms of attracting players, I feel like so many managers have leaned on it that it's become self-fulfilling. Nobody would want to go to Liverpool either if their managers kept talking about how hard it is to get players to such a shithole.
vic_orthdox
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I was referring to the clubs as an individual purchase for investors, not the football side of things.
We're lucky to have a proper fan as an owner, but not sure how far it can take us to have the guy who owned Card Factory financing us if we make the Premier League - let alone maintaining a spot long term in the Championship if we don't make it up, and lose our manager.
vogue
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Just as an aside to this debate...Hull being my old uni ... who owns Hull FC? And why is he crazy?
Furball
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The size of the TV deal means that fanbase and ground size doesn't really matter as much. Sunderland and Bournemouth will have similar purchasing power when it comes to attracting players, stuff like location matters.
Liverpool are different, they still have their name to trade on. Doesn't work nearly as well for Everton though.
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Sunderland's wage bill is more than double Bournemouth's: http://sillyseason.com/list/salaries/premier-league-wages-per-team-69064/
There's just no part of me that thinks Bournemouth's squad are full of players that turned down Sunderland. As if David Moyes was offering to double the money of all those fast, young, skillful players, but just couldn't prise them away and had to settle for Joleon Lescott and Victor Anichebe.
It's pretty simple really. They were relegated because they were managed like **** from the top down for years.
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Lillian Thomson
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So Moyes leaves Sunderland after all. It could only get funnier if they've got Steve McLaren lined up.
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Over the years, the guy that I used to work for was approached to buy Newcastle, Leeds, Coventry, etc.
Most were dismissed out of hand as football clubs weren't great businesses at the time but, just as importantly in his mind, he was not going to invest in a place that he had not intention of ever visiting
Most were dismissed out of hand as football clubs weren't great businesses at the time but, just as importantly in his mind, he was not going to invest in a place that he had not intention of ever visiting
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BFS leaves Palace. Back to Sunderland I presume.