sledger
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Even as a kid this always bugged me. I could never quite work out why Southgate was preferred to Keown. I guess Southgate was just the young, fashionable choice, and Arsenal weren't exactly great around that time.
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*Official* English Football Season 2014-15
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sledger
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Yeah, this is also true tbf. I think the penalty miss stigmatised Southgate as a poor player in my mind, but he wasn't really.
flibbertyjibber
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He'd be ideal now. Be our best defender by a mile if he was playing now.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Damning with faint praise etc...
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
He most certainly wasn't. That's my mistake, was meant to be the other way round.
Neville a better player at any given time with Beckham ahead of him anyway (and vice versa)
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True, we were good then totally crap now.
grecian
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Well I don't think Comparing with now is particularly productive, as we've probably never had a worst defence.
Southgate, Meh for me, but I guess one of the many reasons others think the '96 side better than I do. Also Gazza was a pale shadow of what he was, brilliant moments but mostly immobile. Could pass the ball, and that was nice, unfortuneatly often couldn't do the pesky defending, particularly win headers. I'd probably prefer Lampard over him. Yet obviously man-for-man, not in the same ****ing side as Gerrard.
We've had this discussion about how incredibly average I think McManaman was. Oh and 04 Owen before the hamstrings, over a Shearer after his cruciate, thanks very much. But 1-1 whichever way you look at it probably fair with the Forwards because Sheare and Teddy the better partnership.
Yet It really must be the silly season if we are doing this one again. I don't think many peoples opinions are going to change.
Southgate, Meh for me, but I guess one of the many reasons others think the '96 side better than I do. Also Gazza was a pale shadow of what he was, brilliant moments but mostly immobile. Could pass the ball, and that was nice, unfortuneatly often couldn't do the pesky defending, particularly win headers. I'd probably prefer Lampard over him. Yet obviously man-for-man, not in the same ****ing side as Gerrard.
We've had this discussion about how incredibly average I think McManaman was. Oh and 04 Owen before the hamstrings, over a Shearer after his cruciate, thanks very much. But 1-1 whichever way you look at it probably fair with the Forwards because Sheare and Teddy the better partnership.
Yet It really must be the silly season if we are doing this one again. I don't think many peoples opinions are going to change.
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GIMH
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grecian
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Yep ignore that TBH, too much Stella drunk at the time. Yeah hew was still good in 1996, it was the ankle that screwed him.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Euro 96 was Gascoigne's last hurrah as a player really. Had a decent few months at the start of 96/97 then got an ankle injury in January 97 and was never the same player again. Mostly because he was a pisshead ****.
Rangers should've been investigated by the Serious Fraud Office for conning £3.5m out of Middlesbrough.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Better playerd is irrelevant if they all play the same position.
I'm disputing Terry's rating, he was raw and a bit crap. England really missed Ferdinand at Euro 2004.
McManaman criminally under-rated as well. McManaman vs Beckham would be a lot more interesting comparison.
And Darren Anderton wasn't a regular, David Platt, the captain was. Who, internationally at least, played the 'arrive late in the box to score' midfield role better than any of the golden generation.
Also worth noting Platt spent his peak in Serie A which was the toughest league in the world bar none in the 1990s.
flibbertyjibber
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Yeah, and then he got a spell at Everton a few years later. How he managed that when he had gone was beyond me. Hope that he isn't that last real world class midfielder I see in an England shirt.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
He played nearly every minute of Euro 96 tbh.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
I acknowledged that better player ultimately didn't matter...
Terry was class at Euro 04
Beckham and McManaman is not even remotely close. Get out of it.
Shearer was captain. Platt didn't start until the knockouts, though he did feature heavily then.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Yeah Pires was outstanding. Huge loss for France in 2002, particularly given his club form that season.
King Pietersen
International Captain
Yeah, Adams was captain. Platt started two games, one when Ince was suspended against Spain, and then against Germany. Almost set Anderton up for the winner against Germany too, in golden goal extra time, but Anderton hit the post, and we subsequently went out.
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Tom Halsey
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Yeah I thought Shearer only became captain under Hoddle.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
I don't think the gap between Beckham and McManaman is anywhere near as pronounced as you're making out. McManaman was world class and for some reason largely wasted by England. Reckon he was born 10 years too early, I think he was still unfortunate enough to mostly play in an era where British managers hadn't quite learned to trust flair players.