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*Official* English Football Season 2013-14

Furball

Evil Scotsman
I'll do it then. I'm wondering whether the signing of Ozil could make them serious contenders in what must be the most open EPL for a very long time. No oustanding teams and lots in transition, with new managers. I suppose the question is whether their strength in midfield can make up for their deficiencies elsewhere in the side. But I reckon they have a chance this year. Barring injuries to key players, they should be a lot closer than recent seasons, anyway.
I think Arsenal were always outside shots anyway; after a rough time last summer the team really began to gel and find their feet towards the back end of the season and Arsenal being the only top 4 club to have retained their manager was always a slight advantage to Arsenal with regards to the rest of the top 4.

Where the signing of Özil is a game changer is what it signifies. Arsenal are now a serious club to be reckoned with financially, which has been their Achilles heel in the Abramovich era in the Premier League. Not only are the finances there, but Wenger is also willing to spend serious money, crucially on the right players. He made a very telling comment after the Spurs game about the Gareth Bale saga, where he said that there were a handful of players who he considered to be worth more than £50m. The inference was that Bale clearly wasn't, but what Wenger was also inferring there was that if he felt that a player was worth the money then he'd spend it. That's a massive game changer to a club who's MO over the last 10 years has been picking up talented youngsters cheaply, developing them into really good players then selling them as the player got frustrated with not winning trophies, leaving the team perenially 1 or 2 players short of being genuine contenders.

The other advantage Özil's signing has is that it makes it exponentially easier to attract top drawer talent. If Arsenal go back in for Suarez in January, not only can Wenger pitch whatever he wants to Suarez vis a vis Arsenal's title ambitions, but he can also point to Özil and say "oh yeah, you've got this guy playing behind you so you'll get hundreds of chances to score goals."

The squad depth is still a concern and I don't think Arsenal will become title winners over night. But getting Özil is the first step towards ending the trophy drought sooner rather than later.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I think Arsenal were always outside shots anyway; after a rough time last summer the team really began to gel and find their feet towards the back end of the season and Arsenal being the only top 4 club to have retained their manager was always a slight advantage to Arsenal with regards to the rest of the top 4.

Where the signing of Özil is a game changer is what it signifies. Arsenal are now a serious club to be reckoned with financially, which has been their Achilles heel in the Abramovich era in the Premier League. Not only are the finances there, but Wenger is also willing to spend serious money, crucially on the right players. He made a very telling comment after the Spurs game about the Gareth Bale saga, where he said that there were a handful of players who he considered to be worth more than £50m. The inference was that Bale clearly wasn't, but what Wenger was also inferring there was that if he felt that a player was worth the money then he'd spend it. That's a massive game changer to a club who's MO over the last 10 years has been picking up talented youngsters cheaply, developing them into really good players then selling them as the player got frustrated with not winning trophies, leaving the team perenially 1 or 2 players short of being genuine contenders.

The other advantage Özil's signing has is that it makes it exponentially easier to attract top drawer talent. If Arsenal go back in for Suarez in January, not only can Wenger pitch whatever he wants to Suarez vis a vis Arsenal's title ambitions, but he can also point to Özil and say "oh yeah, you've got this guy playing behind you so you'll get hundreds of chances to score goals."

The squad depth is still a concern and I don't think Arsenal will become title winners over night. But getting Özil is the first step towards ending the trophy drought sooner rather than later.
I agree that signing a guy like Özil helps to turn the tide. The CDMs have been a feeder club, buying up mercenaries but once those mercenaries get to a certain point you need silverware and other big names (ie the possibility of silverware) to keep them there. Getting a great price isn't that important - you need to get these guys in to win trophies and be in the market to buy more of them and keep the players that you develop into something special.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
The other advantage Özil's signing has is that it makes it exponentially easier to attract top drawer talent. If Arsenal go back in for Suarez in January, not only can Wenger pitch whatever he wants to Suarez vis a vis Arsenal's title ambitions, but he can also point to Özil and say "oh yeah, you've got this guy playing behind you so you'll get hundreds of chances to score goals."
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That's true, but the example is wrong. Suarez already wanted to go, we didn't let him. And that won't change in January either. Actually, he'd cost even more then.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
I know this is a bit of an optimistic discussion to bring about, but who do we leave out with a full strength midfield? Özil and Cazorla are obviously musts, as would Ramsey based on current form. Which just leaves two slots left for Wilshire, Flamini, Arteta, Walcott and Poldolki. Not to mention the OX, Rosicky and Diaby. Personally feel Walcott shouldn't be assured of a place at the moment, nor Wilshire for that matter. Could line up with something like this.

-------Arteta----Ramsey------
Jack/Theo--Özil--Cazorla

Then with the rest on the bench. Probably only a theoretical problem to have, but it is quite difficult to pick just five of the Arsenal midfield now.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Its good for Arsenal that it's difficult to pick just 5 in the midfield considering its the teams strength.

How great is Christian Eriksen, did he really cost £11.5m?
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
I know this is a bit of an optimistic discussion to bring about, but who do we leave out with a full strength midfield? Özil and Cazorla are obviously musts, as would Ramsey based on current form. Which just leaves two slots left for Wilshire, Flamini, Arteta, Walcott and Poldolki. Not to mention the OX, Rosicky and Diaby. Personally feel Walcott shouldn't be assured of a place at the moment, nor Wilshire for that matter. Could line up with something like this.

-------Arteta----Ramsey------
Jack/Theo--Özil--Cazorla

Then with the rest on the bench. Probably only a theoretical problem to have, but it is quite difficult to pick just five of the Arsenal midfield now.
You'd think that as time goes on Wilshere will take on Arteta's role in the side. Half the players that can play it midfield will spend their time injured, being rested, or playing in other positions, so I don't think there's much danger of overcrowding.

I think Theo should be a guaranteed starter though, not enough of an out and out goal threat without him in there, great as the alternatives undoubtedly are.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
I know this is a bit of an optimistic discussion to bring about, but who do we leave out with a full strength midfield? Özil and Cazorla are obviously musts, as would Ramsey based on current form. Which just leaves two slots left for Wilshire, Flamini, Arteta, Walcott and Poldolki. Not to mention the OX, Rosicky and Diaby. Personally feel Walcott shouldn't be assured of a place at the moment, nor Wilshire for that matter. Could line up with something like this.

-------Arteta----Ramsey------
Jack/Theo--Özil--Cazorla

Then with the rest on the bench. Probably only a theoretical problem to have, but it is quite difficult to pick just five of the Arsenal midfield now.
As much as I like Wilshire, in that formation I think it's best to go with Theo. He definitely has an end-product to his game now and so far the understanding between him and Ozil has been exciting to watch. One sliding the balls in his path, the other with devastating pace and a good shot on him. Arsenal already control possession/game more often than not so that is why Wilshire is fighting for his place.

If not for Ramsay manning up this season then I reckon Wilshire would be good next to Arteta.

Its good for Arsenal that it's difficult to pick just 5 in the midfield considering its the teams strength.

How great is Christian Eriksen, did he really cost £11.5m?
Gotta say I thought he was a bit overrated and doubted whether he'd make the step up in the EPL so soon. Has been ridiculous though.
 
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grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You'd think that as time goes on Wilshere will take on Arteta's role in the side. Half the players that can play it midfield will spend their time injured, being rested, or playing in other positions, so I don't think there's much danger of overcrowding.

I think Theo should be a guaranteed starter though, not enough of an out and out goal threat without him in there, great as the alternatives undoubtedly are.
Yep, as much as I like Arteta, Jack gives you more at this stage in their careers. Yet talking about a fully-fit Arsenal team is pretty much in the land of fantasy TBH.
 

Eds

International Debutant
Surely long-term Ramsey and Wilshere won't be able to play together as the deepest midfield pair? Particularly with Cazorla-Ozil-Walcott as the midfield three in front of them.

I'd have imagined Ramsey as the more defensive, ball-winning midfielder long-term but he's showing that he's a proper b2b player lately.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The countdown is on, stupid Phone Engineer is coming between 12-4 today, if he comes before 2, I can go to watch City-Newport. It's thrilling stuff.

Oh c'mon it's more exciting than Norwich-Villa.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Sessegnon puts West Brom 1-0 up on Sunderland.

Di Canio must be a sleeper agent employed by Newcastle. It's the only explanation for his utterly mental transfer dealings.
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
They were downright spanked in that game. Southampton looked world class against them, if it wasn't for Mignolet having a blinder they'd have lost by 3 or 4.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Paolo going over to the Mackem fans and giving it some, gotta love the mental fascist bastard.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Or he's just utter mental himself, maybe?

Up there in the "worst managerial appointments ever" stakes, IMHO.
I just refuse to believe that anyone could walk into the Sunderland job and go "you know what, selling Sessegnon would be a brilliant idea."

It's always good to see the prick fail.
 

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