*Official* English Football Season 2010-11

[duffer]

Has duffer just gone to the kitchen?

4 more minutes. Something's gonna happen around the 83-84 minute mark.

 

[Uppercut]

Rooooneeeeeeyyy . Made my weekend. Thank **** he didn't move across town in January...

 

[Woodster]

It's not often we come away from OT the better side, we were pretty clearly I felt today, but all to no avail. Mancini couldn't really have asked too much more from his players, good passing, generally solid defending and threatening going forward, the difference ultimately being an outstandingly spectacular overhead kick from Rooney. A special goal.

 

[Tom Halsey]

It's not often we come away from OT the better side, we were pretty clearly I felt today, but all to no avail. Mancini couldn't really have asked too much more from his players, good passing, generally solid defending and threatening going forward, the difference ultimately being an outstandingly spectacular overhead kick from Rooney. A special goal.

Really? You created by my count one clear cut chance, the Silva one in the 3rd minute or so, which would have been saved if on target anyway due to the angle. Had lots of the ball and didn't do a huge amount with it.

 

[Uppercut]

Yeah, again, I seem to have been watching an entirely different match from Woodster. The possession was pretty 50-50 and we won a tight match through virtue of showing more quality in and around the box. Even the goal Citeh did score was absolutely filthy.

 

[Woodster]

Really? You created by my count one clear cut chance, the Silva one in the 3rd minute or so, which would have been saved if on target anyway due to the angle. Had lots of the ball and didn't do a huge amount with it.

We may not have created numerous clear cut chances, neither did Utd by the way, but we had enough to win the game. Our overall game, passing, movement, etc, gave Utd a lot of problems, and we were the superior side on the day, but it proved not to be enough.

Ferguson's interview now proves he's been on the old whisky again! Deserved to go one-nil up!!! Ha ha, go and have another swig of your bottle Ferguson.

 

[Woodster]

Yeah, again, I seem to have been watching an entirely different match from Woodster. The possession was pretty 50-50 and we won a tight match through virtue of showing more quality in and around the box. Even the goal Citeh did score was absolutely filthy.

Ha ha, I think you have mate. The possession stats may indicate that, but it's the quality you display when you have possession, and we showed plenty today. Summerbee got it absolutely spot on in his summary, he must have watched a different game also.

 

[sledger]

Ha ha, I think you have mate. The possession stats may indicate that, but it's the quality you display when you have possession, and we showed plenty today. Summerbee got it absolutely spot on in his summary, he must have watched a different game also.

Yeah, enough to create more or less no chances whatsoever.

 

[Tom Halsey]

We may not have created numerous clear cut chances, neither did Utd by the way, but we had enough to win the game. Our overall game, passing, movement, etc, gave Utd a lot of problems, and we were the superior side on the day, but it proved not to be enough.

We only created one clear cut chance as well, but it was a far better chance than the Silva one, and it was taken. Football games are not won on passing and movement, they are won by scoring goals. City didn't, and they only really had one chance to do so in any case (barring the freak goal they did score). I don't see any argument to say that they deserved to win the game.

 

[sledger]

Think Man Utd deserved that. Early days of Dzeko but he didn't look much chop. David Silva though, WAG, thought he was great today.

 

[Woodster]

Yeah, enough to create more or less no chances whatsoever.

Well, Silva should have scored a couple more, and a couple of better decisions in the final third, a bit more luck, and we could have created a few more clear cut opportunities. Look I'm not saying we constantly had Utd on the ropes and battered them, but we played the better football and looked the better side today, and we don't do that too frequently at The Swamp.

Ultimately it's down to putting the ball in the net, of which Utd did more efficiently. Their chances though were absolutely few and far between, even Rooney's goal you wouldn't class even as half a chance!

 

[Woodster]

We only created one clear cut chance as well, but it was a far better chance than the Silva one, and it was taken. Football games are not won on passing and movement, they are won by scoring goals. City didn't, and they only really had one chance to do so in any case (barring the freak goal they did score). I don't see any argument to say that they deserved to win the game.

I appreciate games are not won by having superior passing and movement, and it is down to goals. I haven't said we scored more than Utd?? Just we think we played better, at times it doesn't hurt to admit you were not the better side on the day, but winning is the most important thing.

 

[Woodster]

Think Man Utd deserved that. Early days of Dzeko but he didn't look much chop. David Silva though, WAG, thought he was great today.

Think Utd should be exceptionally pleased they've got three points from that game.

 

[sledger]

Ultimately it's down to putting the ball in the net, of which Utd did more efficiently. Their chances though were absolutely few and far between, even Rooney's goal you wouldn't class even as half a chance!

But this is the crux of the matter. Utd's chances were few and far between, but it was just a game of few chances, and as you have pointed out, in these sorts of games you give merit to the team which takes the ones that come their way. I don't know how you can't classify Rooney's goal as a chance either...given that the ball ended up in the net. You can pass the ball around nicely until the cows come home, but when you do that for 90 minutes and hardly threaten throughout it becomes more or less irrelevant.

 

[Nate]

Just amazing from Rooney.

Loving the triangles from Mersey Red atm.

 

[Woodster]

We only created one clear cut chance as well, but it was a far better chance than the Silva one, and it was taken. Football games are not won on passing and movement, they are won by scoring goals. City didn't, and they only really had one chance to do so in any case (barring the freak goal they did score). I don't see any argument to say that they deserved to win the game.

And I know a number of Utd fans that would entirely agree with you, although I don't think that would make it right.

 

[sledger]

Think Utd should be exceptionally pleased they've got three points from that game.

That rather goes without saying, regardless of the performance.

 

[Woodster]

But this is the crux of the matter. Utd's chances were few and far between, but it was just a game of few chances, and as you have pointed out, in these sorts of games you give merit to the team which takes the ones that come their way. I don't know how you can't classify Rooney's goal as a chance either...given that the ball ended up in the net. You can pass the ball around nicely until the cows come home, but when you do that for 90 minutes and hardly threaten throughout it becomes more or less irrelevant.

How can you not classify Rooney's goal as half a chance ? Because it was a truly unbelievable strike that as he said would go over the bar nine times out of 10. Had it gone over, you wouldn't have said "what a chance that was". It was just pure quality.

Utd took their chances, cannot argue with that, and that's what it's all about, however, I don't think that automatically means they were the better side. There are occasions where the best team on the day doesn't win, it happened today imo. I know from experience Utd fans have immense difficulty in giving credit to the opposition (esp when it's City), had we won it would have been because Utd were bad rather than we were better. The reactions therefore do not come as any great surprise.

 

[Tom Halsey]

And I know a number of Utd fans that would entirely agree with you, although I don't think that would make it right.

It does if it is right. I (and others) have said this before, the team that plays prettier football is not the team that deserves to win the game, the team that scores the most goals is the team that deserves to win the game, with the exception of things such as poor refereeing and other facets of luck. As City were not unlucky at all today (arguably the reverse, given the nature of their goal) I don't see how they can be said to have been the better team.

 

[Woodster]

That rather goes without saying, regardless of the performance.

The undertones to my point being they should count themselves a touch fortunate, didn't think I needed to clarify that.