***Official*** English Domestic Season 2008

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Gallian and Bopara are all-rounders now?

And Masters (excellent OD bowler BTW) and Kaneria?

Masters has proved himself with the bat for Essex this year, and in the Championship, Kaneria is positively Ilott (rather than Such)-esque.

Bopara is obviously an all-rounder at First Class level; though not at international

And as for Gallian, have you never witnessed his crazy twirlers?

 

[Richard]

Thought he was more a seamer TBH. And Bopara is no all-rounder, his bowling is woeful.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Nah

 

[TheEpic]

Yeah, what are you on about Richard? 66 wickets in List A games at an average of 28 is pretty good. His bowling isn't incredible obviously but he's a more than useful part-time bowler with a good knack for taking wickets.

 

[Perm]

What are your comments on Kaneria's bowling? Looked great for a known ODI misfit.

Always has looked good in country cricket TBH. He played a major role in Essex's back-to-back League titles a few years ago.

I can't really figure out why Danish Kaneria has always looked so poor and struggled to adjust to ODI cricket. His worth as a batsman and fielder is minimal, but he's been a very good domestic bowler for years now, and his performances suggest that he may well be international class. He's been exposed to international cricket before, in both formats, but he's always struggled to stamp his authority on ODI cricket.

 

[Perm]

I think the point that Richard is trying to make about Bopara is that his bowling is too expensive to be considered any good, and with an economy rate of 5.44 in List A cricket you'd be inclined to agree. Sure his average his good, but he takes less than a wicket per game which IMO (and obviously Richard's) doesn't qualify him as an all-rounder.

 

[Richard]

Yeah, what are you on about Richard? 66 wickets in List A games at an average of 28 is pretty good. His bowling isn't incredible obviously but he's a more than useful part-time bowler with a good knack for taking wickets.

Given that when I've watched most wickets tend to come from healthy Long-Hops that do nothing and somehow get hit to fielders or dragged-on... no, it's not remotely good. Especially given his shockingly poor economy-rate shows that many more Long-Hops tend to get the treatment.

Bopara is a bowler who has so far gotten lucky, lots, with wicket-taking, and hopefully that'll discontinue as his career progresses.

 

[Richard]

BTW, a question for George (maybe someone else too, but George would be the first I'd think of) - how good are the Bangladesh A batsmen in this touring party likely to be? Think Tamim Iqbal, Shakib, Saleh and Siddique are the only ones I've heard of.

 

[TheEpic]

Given that when I've watched most wickets tend to come from healthy Long-Hops that do nothing and somehow get hit to fielders or dragged-on... no, it's not remotely good. Especially given his shockingly poor economy-rate shows that many more Long-Hops tend to get the treatment.

Bopara is a bowler who has so far gotten lucky, lots, with wicket-taking, and hopefully that'll discontinue as his career progresses.

He's got about 80 FC wickets too. Obviously shows he can bowl.

 

[Richard]

Before this season, when he's somehow averaging 25 or so, he had 58 wickets at just under 50.

Hardly compelling stuff, that.

 

[stumpski]

Sounds like a farcical situation unravelling at the Riverside ...

Durham's T20 semi against Yorkshire postponed while the ECB decide how to deal with Yorkshire fielding an ineligible player in the quarter-final.


Edit: correction, it's a quarter-final today. The match in question was a group match played on 27th June. A young player who has a Pakistani passport (but has captained England U-15!) is at the heart of it.

 

[open365]

Before this season, when he's somehow averaging 25 or so, he had 58 wickets at just under 50.

Hardly compelling stuff, that.

It shows us that as every season passes, he gets twice as good, i'd say that was pretty compelling.

 

[TheEpic]

Well, he's a part time bowler isn't he. Bowlers who usually bowl in unhelpful conditions or when the batsmen are well-set and the main bowlers are having a rest. But the fact that he can take that many wickets at FC level proves he can bowl. The fact he has taken so many List A wickets proves he can bowl.

The fact that you have seen him in a handful of spells does not prove he cannot bowl.

 

[Manee]

Sounds like a farcical situation unravelling at the Riverside ...

Durham's T20 semi against Yorkshire postponed while the ECB decide how to deal with Yorkshire fielding an ineligible player in the quarter-final.


Edit: correction, it's a quarter-final today. The match in question was a group match played on 27th June. A young player who has a Pakistani passport (but has captained England U-15!) is at the heart of it.

This is beyond a farce!

 

[stumpski]

Rafiq's profile on Cricinfo doesn't state where he was born (he went to school in Barnsley, which would tie in with his having played for England at youth level). Considering he didn't bat and bowled two overs for 18 it was hardly worth all the trouble really.

 

[Scaly piscine]

As it happened it would have almost certainly been rained off anyway, been chucking it down most of the day here with some nice thunder & lightning thrown in these last 10 minutes.

 

[Manee]

So now it emerges that he wasn't registered - out of interest, why can't Yorkshire pick another player?

 

[stumpski]

So now it emerges that he wasn't registered - out of interest, why can't Yorkshire pick another player?

Well I assume they will if the match is replayed (which is one option), unless he signs the forms in the meantime of course.

 

[Richard]

Well, he's a part time bowler isn't he. Bowlers who usually bowl in unhelpful conditions or when the batsmen are well-set and the main bowlers are having a rest. But the fact that he can take that many wickets at FC level proves he can bowl. The fact he has taken so many List A wickets proves he can bowl.

The fact that you have seen him in a handful of spells does not prove he cannot bowl.

Taking wickets doesn't prove a thing - anyone will take wickets if they bowl. Bopara has often bowled in very favourable conditions, in fact - I've lost count of the times he's been thrown the ball when the slog was on, or when the ball was doing plenty and the front-line seamers were having a rest and the spinners were deemed not threatening enough.

Bopara is a poor bowler - I have not seen him insufficiently to not be able to tell this. If it was just 3 or 4 occasions, you'd have a point. But it's far more than this.

 

[Manee]

Well I assume they will if the match is replayed (which is one option), unless he signs the forms in the meantime of course.

It is probably naive of me to suggest such, but Yorkshire could have been informed that he was ineligible (not illegible or inlegible as suggested by some of the commentators, lol) and then they could have picked another player and the farce could have been avoided.