Jamee999
Hall of Fame Member
I do.
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*Official* England\UK off-season 2008/09 \ build-up to 2009 season thread
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vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Sillence and Alleyne have played three years of it now, this being their fourth. They are both through to their third club in four years, which says a bit about them, really.
They are both reasonable players, certainly not top tier but "good" District players.
Benham made a ton against us last year on a real flat one, and batted very well. Had his first year over here last year, and carried his side a bit. Rate him higher than the other two.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
Following on from the Aus 20/20 where the Select XI wil play a Retired XI.
If England opened the 2009 season with a FC game against a PCA Masters XI.
What would the best PCA Masters XI look like?
Id use a few that are in a current squad and add a few foreign players that have been good servants and have the rest as 35+ yrs old England and not played Internationals in the last 2 years.
1. Goodwin
2. Brown
3. Ramprakash
4. Crawley
5. Hick
6. Adams
7. Cairns
8. Nixon
9. Cork
10. Udal
11. Caddick
TBF, you could probably dop a batsman and add another bowler. Probably a spinner to help the old guys bowl their overs (Croft maybe or Salisbury) or a seamer (like Gough or James Kirtley) or an allrounder (Ealham or mybe Irani)
If England opened the 2009 season with a FC game against a PCA Masters XI.
What would the best PCA Masters XI look like?
Id use a few that are in a current squad and add a few foreign players that have been good servants and have the rest as 35+ yrs old England and not played Internationals in the last 2 years.
1. Goodwin
2. Brown
3. Ramprakash
4. Crawley
5. Hick
6. Adams
7. Cairns
8. Nixon
9. Cork
10. Udal
11. Caddick
TBF, you could probably dop a batsman and add another bowler. Probably a spinner to help the old guys bowl their overs (Croft maybe or Salisbury) or a seamer (like Gough or James Kirtley) or an allrounder (Ealham or mybe Irani)
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He didn't bowl a single ball in first class cricket after 2003.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
People over-egg the "too many cooks spoil the broth" thing in cricket, horribly (specialist coaches, nutritionists and the like are a valuable addition to any team). But there does appear to be a bit of over-emphasis on management. For me it works best if there's a President, a Chairman, a CEO and a team manager, each directly responsible to the next. And maybe a director of cricket somewhere in between. All these various consultants just seem to me to muddy the water a little.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
"Team Manager" in England County is what Australians would term "Coach"?
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
You see, this various definitions of "coach"... it confuses things. It's far from just Australia.
Often the term "coach" (or "head coach" - which is better if only slightly) is used when the term "manager" or "team manager" would be a far more accurate description. Duncan Fletcher, for example, was England coach but in reality he was manager. Phil Neale was mostly the team manager, but in reality he was actually just the... well... "backroom coordinator" or something along those lines. He was the man who kept the scripts in order and ensured the jerseys were lying in the changing-rooms.
Batting, bowling and (especially) fielding coaches are all vital IMO - technical specialists who work on one specific area of the game with the players under their charge. As is a manager who makes choices about selection, makes the phonecalls, etc. As are conditioning specialists like physios, doctors and nutritionists. But I think there's too often too many people involved, which is not merely a waste of money but also risks roles not being defined clearly enough and not giving sufficient authority where it is needed.
Often the term "coach" (or "head coach" - which is better if only slightly) is used when the term "manager" or "team manager" would be a far more accurate description. Duncan Fletcher, for example, was England coach but in reality he was manager. Phil Neale was mostly the team manager, but in reality he was actually just the... well... "backroom coordinator" or something along those lines. He was the man who kept the scripts in order and ensured the jerseys were lying in the changing-rooms.
Batting, bowling and (especially) fielding coaches are all vital IMO - technical specialists who work on one specific area of the game with the players under their charge. As is a manager who makes choices about selection, makes the phonecalls, etc. As are conditioning specialists like physios, doctors and nutritionists. But I think there's too often too many people involved, which is not merely a waste of money but also risks roles not being defined clearly enough and not giving sufficient authority where it is needed.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
Surrey in faded star shock!
Typical Surrey signing really. If he bowls a full season he will struggle to hit 125 kph consistently.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
How, when Kolpak contracts will be void after 2009?
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Wasn't too long ago that he was pretty quick. Always is a shame to see the slow-down of a truly agressive quick man.
FBU
International Debutant
to open the bowling with the other Kolpak, Collins. I'm sure they will want Akhtar back as their overseas players after his great bowling in the last two matches 1 at 117.00.
Meanwhile Meaker will not be seen at all after his 3 at 28.66.
UncleTheOne
U19 Captain
is this for real? murtagh is no world beater, but in his two seasons at middlesex has picked up 106 wickets in the FC game at 26 runs a piece. to bracket him as doing nothing for the game is moronic.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Murtagh's getting better, true, but there's no way he can be classified as "proven quality" yet (last season was his first properly good one - he was far from outstanding in 2007 even if he did get a fair bag of wickets). Nor is he young any more.
I very much doubt Murtagh is going to end-up as a county cricketer of any great substance, though I said it a number of times last season - I'll bet Surrey wish they'd made more effort to hold on to him given their woeful attack last year.
I very much doubt Murtagh is going to end-up as a county cricketer of any great substance, though I said it a number of times last season - I'll bet Surrey wish they'd made more effort to hold on to him given their woeful attack last year.
