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**Official** England in the West Indies 2013-14
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King Pietersen
International Captain
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
Some end of series musings:
- These two teams were clearly pretty evenly matched, all 3 matches were very close. I do think England deserved to win though as they were marginally the better side. Their top order batting was far superior to ours.
- Lumb looked pretty good, certainly better than I've ever seen him before (in an England shirt anyway). Ali was effective but I'm not sure how successful he will be long term with a technique like that (early days though, he might well prove me wrong). Joe Root is clearly a very good young batsman, but I guess we all knew that anyway.
- The pitch today was much better, but I thought it was sub-par for the first two matches. We have a huge problem with the standard of pitches in the Caribbean, Imagine talented young batsmen having to learn how to bat on pitches like that and worse?
- Kieron Powell, Dwayne Smith and Darren Bravo were seriously disappointing. You could quite reasonably argue that they are the reason we lost this series.Gayle returning will obviously help loads but otherwise we have a big top order problem. I thought the selectors missed a huge opportunity to experiment with some young batsman, particularly Jonathan Carter. As Tony Cozier said, the current selectors really do lack any sort of imagination. Carter could have batted at 3 quite easily, this was effectively a meaningless series, why not give him a go?
- Denesh Ramdin has been such a boss over the last 2 years. Averaging 48 in tests, now this monstrous knock. We've finally got a consistent wicket keeper batsman.
- The umpiring was awful. Specifically the TV umpiring which really irritates me as their is simply no excuse for mistakes and inconsistency when you are looking at the same footage as the audience. We had Butler's mis-stumping in the last game and today the inconsistency surrounding Butler's overturning and Samuels dismissal It's beyond a joke that we are still seeing that sort of mistake in this day and age.
- These two teams were clearly pretty evenly matched, all 3 matches were very close. I do think England deserved to win though as they were marginally the better side. Their top order batting was far superior to ours.
- Lumb looked pretty good, certainly better than I've ever seen him before (in an England shirt anyway). Ali was effective but I'm not sure how successful he will be long term with a technique like that (early days though, he might well prove me wrong). Joe Root is clearly a very good young batsman, but I guess we all knew that anyway.
- The pitch today was much better, but I thought it was sub-par for the first two matches. We have a huge problem with the standard of pitches in the Caribbean, Imagine talented young batsmen having to learn how to bat on pitches like that and worse?
- Kieron Powell, Dwayne Smith and Darren Bravo were seriously disappointing. You could quite reasonably argue that they are the reason we lost this series.Gayle returning will obviously help loads but otherwise we have a big top order problem. I thought the selectors missed a huge opportunity to experiment with some young batsman, particularly Jonathan Carter. As Tony Cozier said, the current selectors really do lack any sort of imagination. Carter could have batted at 3 quite easily, this was effectively a meaningless series, why not give him a go?
- Denesh Ramdin has been such a boss over the last 2 years. Averaging 48 in tests, now this monstrous knock. We've finally got a consistent wicket keeper batsman.
- The umpiring was awful. Specifically the TV umpiring which really irritates me as their is simply no excuse for mistakes and inconsistency when you are looking at the same footage as the audience. We had Butler's mis-stumping in the last game and today the inconsistency surrounding Butler's overturning and Samuels dismissal It's beyond a joke that we are still seeing that sort of mistake in this day and age.
WindieWeathers
International Regular
It would of been nice to have Pollard, Gayle and Roach there!!..i'm sure the first two would have made a difference to that ridiculous top order.
I hope this is it for Smith now!!..guy just can't cut it at this level...i honestly would have picked Brathwaite because even though he's not a quick scorer he would have stayed at the crease and at least given us a platform to build on..much like Shiv used to do for the one day team.
All in all i'm disappointed because i don't think this is agood english side!!..especially without Cook and Bell..and totally agree with your last point...it keeps happening to WI for some reason and it's getting beyond a joke now
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theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
The England squads fielding is pretty average and unathletic. Don't know too much about the size of the grounds in Bangladesh for the T20s but they could be run ragged by teams willing to put more pressure on them than the WI did. (not that we're going to be able to compete with bat or ball either)
Wright, Lumb, Tredwell, Bresnan, Dernbach are all average, unathletic and don't generally move well. Ali is pretty slow and with a weak arm. Didn't see enough of Parry but didn't seem bad. None of them are particularly skilled at batting or bowling either unlike past indian teams that have got away with average fielding because they had quality bats.
None are Panesar terrible and one or two in a team is fine but the first ODI both the infielders and outfielders looked slow and you don't want that many average fielders in the team again. Especially as this current team is lacking quality in batting and bowling you'd imagine in future they'd look to get a better fit of stronger, quicker fielders.
Morgan and Hales returning improves this a bit but there are still going to be 4 or 5 average fielders for the world T20 and realistically you can't afford that.
(on the plus side Stokes, Jordan, Broad, (Anderson) are all bowlers yet remain very good in the field)
Good to see Buttler getting the chance to bat longer and taking the chance. Great for England and Buttler that they know he can do it and hopefully trust him in future. Hopefully means that if after 25 or 30 overs and they've haven't lost many wickets they'd make sure Morgan or Buttler is the next guy in rather that bringing in Root or Stokes. Missed a couple of stumpings in the games tho, although got a couple of decent catches so still plenty to work on in that regard.
Wright, Lumb, Tredwell, Bresnan, Dernbach are all average, unathletic and don't generally move well. Ali is pretty slow and with a weak arm. Didn't see enough of Parry but didn't seem bad. None of them are particularly skilled at batting or bowling either unlike past indian teams that have got away with average fielding because they had quality bats.
None are Panesar terrible and one or two in a team is fine but the first ODI both the infielders and outfielders looked slow and you don't want that many average fielders in the team again. Especially as this current team is lacking quality in batting and bowling you'd imagine in future they'd look to get a better fit of stronger, quicker fielders.
Morgan and Hales returning improves this a bit but there are still going to be 4 or 5 average fielders for the world T20 and realistically you can't afford that.
(on the plus side Stokes, Jordan, Broad, (Anderson) are all bowlers yet remain very good in the field)
Good to see Buttler getting the chance to bat longer and taking the chance. Great for England and Buttler that they know he can do it and hopefully trust him in future. Hopefully means that if after 25 or 30 overs and they've haven't lost many wickets they'd make sure Morgan or Buttler is the next guy in rather that bringing in Root or Stokes. Missed a couple of stumpings in the games tho, although got a couple of decent catches so still plenty to work on in that regard.
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grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Indeed, but the replacement is pretty dire. Mind you more bowling for thebeardwhomustbefeared, so let's look on the bright side.
If Hales is still injured can they draft someone good in?
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
I'd imagnine Hales will be ok. But who knows? They tend to keep the details on injuries inhouse these days.
I don't know what Carberry did to convince them he was test worthy yet not worthy of any kind of chance in the T20. Last couple of years it was in 40/20 over cricket where he had shone and had been average in 4 day cricket. He doesn't show it in 4/5 day cricket but he had really expanded his game. He should really of played some T20's this past year to have at least tested him in case of this situation but I guess his ODI performances count against him. Carberry would be a vastly better bet than Bell (or Ali) but looks like they're finished with him.
Bleh who cares we ain't winning the comp. No point risking Root really for the world t20- no way a broken thumb heals that quickly. Another blow for the fielding with Root out tho.
I don't know what Carberry did to convince them he was test worthy yet not worthy of any kind of chance in the T20. Last couple of years it was in 40/20 over cricket where he had shone and had been average in 4 day cricket. He doesn't show it in 4/5 day cricket but he had really expanded his game. He should really of played some T20's this past year to have at least tested him in case of this situation but I guess his ODI performances count against him. Carberry would be a vastly better bet than Bell (or Ali) but looks like they're finished with him.
Bleh who cares we ain't winning the comp. No point risking Root really for the world t20- no way a broken thumb heals that quickly. Another blow for the fielding with Root out tho.
MW1304
Cricketer Of The Year
Bloody hell that's a point that completely slipped my mind. What on earth did Carberry do to get shoved so mercilessly out of the picture? And why are we back to giving players a small handful of games to prove themselves before dumping them? 5 ODIs against a wrecking ball-version Mitch is hardly a fair shot. And yes t20 is his best format these days, so at least give him a chance at that.
He's not injured is he or this post will look silly.
He's not injured is he or this post will look silly.
MW1304
Cricketer Of The Year
Wright as 'average' and 'unathletic' is a new one. He's a fantastic fielder, pretty sure he was being used as a specialist one a few years back when he was hanging onto a place in the side. And Lumb's a few years past his best but he's still pretty decent as far as I'm aware.
Too many openers? 5 in the squad already in Wright, Moeen, Root/Bell, Lumb and Hales.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Lumb I was kind of meh about. Wright has struggled with knee injuries for a few years and moves pretty slowly around the outfield these days imo. They're not bad fielders in terms of their groundwork but by international standards they move pretty slowly these days imo. I'd say average and given their limited output with their batting it makes the squad look really weak in all facets. A Team is going to have average fielders but I feel the squad has a few too many average fielders.
