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*Official* England in South Africa

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
I'm sensing from this interview that there will be no UDRS in England this summer
UDRS would be OK if cheatin' Harper wasn't involved at all. Or if they were willing to cough up for all the technology that's available. Even with the above, it's shown it's worth in this series with the number of laughably duff decisions that have been overturned.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
hang on, Onions outbowled Broad in the first two Tests? Except that Broad bowled England's best and most important spell of the whole series in the second innings (admittedly Onions had his best innings of the series first time out).

And I said that i felt overall Anderson has bowled better than Onions in the series, not that he bowled better in each and every Test. Of course we should just discount the one Test where there is approximately ZERO argument for Onions to have bowled better than Anderson and base it on the other two where it was...close?

And surely anyway, if deciding to drop a bowler you drop the one who has been poor in the last game?
Leaving aside whether Anderson > Onions or vice versa, what this series has clearly shown is that our fast bowling stocks are piss poor right now. Onions has done less well than I expected, no question. Anderson, for the 2nd series in a row hasn't done a lot. Neither were able to take advantage on the occasions when conditions suited. Beyond them, Sidebottom hasn't done enough to justify what's supposed to be a horses for courses pick, and he's far to slow to be a serious threat at this level, as we have seen many times before. Broad is still very much a work-in-progress, despite the occasional golden-arm spell.

Don't know where we'll go from here. Whoever they pick should clean up in the two series against Bang, and probaly at home to Pakistan's brittle batting line-up. Aus certainly won't be losing sleep about you-know-what at the end of the year.
 
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King Pietersen

International Captain
I'm hoping we do get it in England. We've got all the technology in England, so it'll work alot better, as it'll actually be possible to get an edge behind or an inside edge reversed. I don't think 1 or 2 balls ups from Daryl Harper should mean the system gets binned, just him.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Jeez, I left home after Swann's first couple of overs with him turning the ball square and the batsmen looking clueless

With the seamers hooping it around at the other end, I thought it was game on

What the hell happened?

Was it great batting or **** bowling as I cant imagine the pitch suddenly died?
Competent batting but we all know it'll look very different when Steyn & Morkel are bowling.
 

nexxus

U19 Debutant
If McLaren slaps a few more fours, will Smith wait till he gets to 50? Hrm.

Admittedly 50 doesn't carry the same weight as 100, but it is his debut. He'd need to be around 40 by the time Boucher got to 100 though.
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
and he's far to slow to be a serious threat at this level, as we have seen many times before.
I don't think pace has anything to do with it. Mohammed Asif was operating at between 76 and 80mph the other day against Australia, and was still looking threatening. Sidebottom's just not good enough anymore I don't think. Had that purple patch about 2 years back, but only really got wickets at a genuinely good rate against New Zealand and West Indies, and even when he's been supposedly match fit in the last few months he's done nothing (check the Aus ODi series for example). I'd rather see Mark Davies or even Liam Plunkett get a go personally.
 

nexxus

U19 Debutant
If I was McLaren I'd seriously give it a bit of welly here....
Ah never mind, Boucher's out, no signs from Smith though. Pity, he deserved a 100.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Ponting hould take note, this is when an aggressive declaration should be made.

Id let Boucher ton up and then have a crack at England before stumps.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
I don't think pace has anything to do with it. Mohammed Asif was operating at between 76 and 80mph the other day against Australia, and was still looking threatening. Sidebottom's just not good enough anymore I don't think. Had that purple patch about 2 years back, but only really got wickets at a genuinely good rate against New Zealand and West Indies, and even when he's been supposedly match fit in the last few months he's done nothing (check the Aus ODi series for example). I'd rather see Mark Davies or even Liam Plunkett get a go personally.
Happily corrected on the pace issue :)

Davies would have been interesting on this track, even though I fear that he would be cannon fodder in Aus. Maybe the reborn Plunkett will be worth a look in the summer.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
He seems like a nice enough chap but his decision-making is really really poor. He surely can't be as bad as we all think he is - there must be a hidden iceberg of excellent decisions that we just somehow overlook - but it seems to me that he's just completely out of his depth.

(Probably a good decision re the Morkel lbw yesterday, mind you).
Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.

Oh and Anderson again showing why I question him as an automatic selection. Just goes missing when there's plenty there and we know how he'd produce nothing if there was no swing.

Onions non-selection a complete ****ing joke.
Agreed. I think the selectors have played his stats and not his performance. Has bowled a heck of a lot better than (from memory) 8 wickets @ 40-odd each.

Swann strikes in his first over again. Freaky.
 

nexxus

U19 Debutant
Is he going for 250 run lead? Actually going to let McLaren get to 50? What?

SA have become the world leaders at plodding on aimlessly.
 

nexxus

U19 Debutant
16th time Swann has gotten a wicket in the first over of a spell. Talk about a partnership breaker.

Luckily England have creatively nicknamed him Swanny rather than the infinitely less creative Goldenarm.
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
Normally I'd be hating watching the opposition batting on and increasing a lead, but I'm loving it right now. The longer they bat and the more time they take out of the game the better. Just got to hope that once we end up batting we bat a heck of alot better than we did first up. Would like to end the day with Strauss and Cook still at the crease.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
I suppose yer yarps are trying to make sure they only need to bat once.

EDIT: & with that Fat Gray makes a liar of me and pulls the plug. WAC he is. :p
 
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nexxus

U19 Debutant
I wonder what's going through Steyn's head at the moment.

Most likely, "What the sweet hell am I doing out here with a bat in my hand?"
 

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