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*Official* England in South Africa Thread
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SpeedKing
U19 Vice-Captain
True and i believe IMHO that if he had hit the straps from the off in this series, the series would have been over before the 4th test( i mean England 3-0 South Africa). For those who didn't see this guy bowl last summer, there was that over to Kallis( i think it was first over in one of the morning sessions) to show you how deadly and absolutely unplayable he is when he gets is right.Loony BoB said:
For me, his being out of form (with BALL
) is what has made this series as tight as it is. unless last year's harmison comes back in the summer (hopefully its just that he is a bad traveller) we have no hope against Aus.
FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
That should become 5 in a row against Bangladesh, which is quite a rare feat. It will be the 16th time that a side has won 5 or more tests in a row (the record is 8 and is already held by England, between 1884 and 1892), and the first time an English team has done it since 1969-71.Jono said:
Also, if Australia beats New Zealand (their 6th in a row) it will make the first time two sides have ever faced off having won 5 or more series in a row beforehand. When South Africa and Australia played in 2001 South Africa were on such a streak, but Australia had just lost to India. Quite an exciting prospect...
SpeedKing
U19 Vice-Captain
Well played England and honourable mention to Trescothick, Strauss and Kallis with the bat. My batsman for the series was Tres as he seems to have ended his overseas jinx in pretty empahatic fashion.
For bowling, well bowled Hoggy, Freddy, Pollock (inevitably) plus langevelt and Nel in their one match cameos. however, my bowler of the series has got to be Ntini because this guy has absolutely amazed me this series. even when the other bowlers could barely jog into the crease after a whole day in the field in the Saffie heat, he was always storming in for every delivery.
overall player has got to be Strauss. it is not easy to outscore Kallis, be the pinnacle of your teams' batting and entertain at the same time. in one of his innings, Atherton was commentating and he said that he was a privilege to simply commentate when the man was batting. it is a measure of how good he was that someone like Athers actually appreciated a strokeplaying batsman.
For bowling, well bowled Hoggy, Freddy, Pollock (inevitably) plus langevelt and Nel in their one match cameos. however, my bowler of the series has got to be Ntini because this guy has absolutely amazed me this series. even when the other bowlers could barely jog into the crease after a whole day in the field in the Saffie heat, he was always storming in for every delivery.
overall player has got to be Strauss. it is not easy to outscore Kallis, be the pinnacle of your teams' batting and entertain at the same time. in one of his innings, Atherton was commentating and he said that he was a privilege to simply commentate when the man was batting. it is a measure of how good he was that someone like Athers actually appreciated a strokeplaying batsman.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
The thing is, whereas when England played NZ and beat them 3-0, it flattered England.Loony BoB said:The two teams, in my opinion, are still very closely matched, and people who think otherwise purely on the basis of a series win need to think again.
2-1 definitely flatters SA.
Scaly piscine
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An England team performing well below their best is better than a SA team performing towards their best.Loony BoB said:
Harmison is good enough, just he's way below his best - Steyn simply wasn't good enough whether he was at his best or not.Loony BoB said:
Because they're simply not that good as bowlers, it's inevitable England will eventually play them properly and Nel & Langeveldt won't bowl as well, the conditions won't help them or they'll not be as lucky as before.Loony BoB said:
How does saying Gibbs might have done better with some previous form help my initial argument (that SA were a mediocre side playing well and England were a good side playing badly in essence)?Loony BoB said:"Gibbs did well despite coming in late and might have done better on another day with some previous form" - Ha, assumption again! So you say that Gibbs "might do better" but Nel and Langaveldt "would have been put away eventually"... nice to make assumptions always work in favour of your argument, eh?
No Smith was just found out by Hoggard moving the ball into him, Thorpe was just out of form and could barely get the ball off the square a lot of the time.Loony BoB said:
Rudolph averages 40 because of Bangladesh, I see him as the equivalent of Key really - one big 200 each but otherwise they look ropey.Loony BoB said:
Hall wasn't really below par, he played as you'd expect - hard working but nothing special, Boucher was also about as you'd expect, considering G Jones & Flintoff in the past 6-12 months you'd certainly say their batting was down on what it was then.Loony BoB said:
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twctopcat
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For the time being i don't care if he is a bad traveller as this will indicate he will be back on it for the ashes!! Good to see tres doing well this series with all the talk about his poor foreign form overseas, though to be far SA is about as similar to england as your going to get. I think so long as Harmy clicks and people i.e Flintoff regain there home batting form we will stand a chance in July.SpeedKing said:For me, his being out of form (with BALL
Loony BoB
International Captain
http://usa.cricinfo.com/link_to_dat.../2005/JAN/167688_RSAENG2004-05_25JAN2005.html
If Klusener does not make one's ODI squad (let alone starting side) - how does Klusener not get into the A side either? Are they still holding grudges in South Africa, or has he been performing that badly in both internationals and domestics?
If Klusener does not make one's ODI squad (let alone starting side) - how does Klusener not get into the A side either? Are they still holding grudges in South Africa, or has he been performing that badly in both internationals and domestics?
tooextracool
International Coach
nopeTim said: