***Official*** England in Pakistan

[greg]

England can never be like what Australia had been for around a decade, becuase as Imran Khan said they lacked a really quality spinner, and one of the most destructive batsman namely Gilchrist. These things matter to a very large extent, i wouldnt be surprised even if team like Pak give them a real fight in the comming series.

I think Pietersen and Flintoff might dispute the argument that England don't have any destructive batsmen to rival any in the history of the game.

Don't think Windies were renowned for their spin options either.

 

[C_C]

I think Pietersen and Flintoff might dispute the argument that England don't have any destructive batsmen to rival any in the history of the game.

Don't think Windies were renowned for their spin options either.

England has a batting lineup too brittle to be a world-class one as of now - newbies like Strauss, Pietersen and Bell might turn out to be good but so far, they are just newbies.
And for WI, they didnt need a spinner - they played 4 pacers, 2-3 of whom usually would walk into any english side of any era for a period of about 20 years.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I am going to love it when Bell captains England to victory in the 2013 Ashes. He is to English cricket what Clarke is to Australian cricket - everyone knows he's the most talented young batsman the country has produced in a long time, we're just having to wait longer before he produces. He'll score at least one hundred in Pakistan, and will captain England once Strauss steps down sometime after the 2009 Ashes.

When and why's Vaughan standing aside?!

I personally think the next England captain hasn't played International cricket yet.

 

[greg]

England has a batting lineup too brittle to be a world-class one as of now - newbies like Strauss, Pietersen and Bell might turn out to be good but so far, they are just newbies.
And for WI, they didnt need a spinner - they played 4 pacers, 2-3 of whom usually would walk into any english side of any era for a period of about 20 years.

Don't see what that's got to do with anything. My post was in response to a claim that England COULDN'T dominate World cricket because they didn't have a quality spinner or a destructive batsman a la Gilchrist.

 

[Go_India]

Don't think Windies were renowned for their spin options either.

Tell me one thing, when u have got the likes of Viv Richards, Walsh, Ambrose etc... u dont feel the need of a spinner, england are no where near what people are begining to label them as, they havent got world class bowlers or batsman at the moment, they win matches by flintoff and if ur mostly gonna rely on one player than u definetly need a back-up and that being a really class spinner or a very destructive batsman.

 

[Barney Rubble]

When and why's Vaughan standing aside?!

I personally think the next England captain hasn't played International cricket yet.

I just always though the logical line of succession was supposed to run Vaughan, Strauss, Bell, Cook - that's what a lot of people have suggested, anyway. It's most likely completely wrong - although I do happen to think Bell will captain England at some point.

So who do you think will be the next captain then, Neil? Out of curiosity. (Genuine curiosity, not ironic "you're wrong whatever you say" curiosity).

 

[Go_India]

I just always though the logical line of succession was supposed to run Vaughan, Strauss, Bell, Cook - that's what a lot of people have suggested, anyway. It's most likely completely wrong - although I do happen to think Bell will captain England at some point.

Bell as the next captain i thought he was immensly struggling for runs, and cant even cement his place I really cant see that happening.

So who do you think will be the next captain then, Neil? Out of curiosity. (Genuine curiosity, not ironic "you're wrong whatever you say" curiosity).

if u ask me i will say kevin pietersen or Andrew strauss.

 

[greg]

Tell me one thing, when u have got the likes of Viv Richards, Walsh, Ambrose etc... u dont feel the need of a spinner, england are no where near what people are begining to label them as, they havent got world class bowlers or batsman at the moment, they win matches by flintoff and if ur mostly gonna rely on one player than u definetly need a back-up and that being a really class spinner or a very destructive batsman.

You haven't watched much English cricket over the last year and a half if you think we only win matches due to Flintoff.

 

[Go_India]

You haven't watched much English cricket over the last year and a half if you think we only win matches due to Flintoff.

now dont tell me u would rely on Hoggard to bowl good spells after some months, Vaughan Scoring a century after a similar period, Harmison breaking the back of THE MIGHT WINDIES once a while just imagine a team without flintoff for a sec.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I just always though the logical line of succession was supposed to run Vaughan, Strauss, Bell, Cook - that's what a lot of people have suggested, anyway. It's most likely completely wrong - although I do happen to think Bell will captain England at some point.

So who do you think will be the next captain then, Neil? Out of curiosity. (Genuine curiosity, not ironic "you're wrong whatever you say" curiosity).

No idea - but I don't see Vaughan enjoying anything other than a long reign, and by that time Strauss will possibly have missed the captaincy boat on age grounds. Could well be Alistair Cook, or someone even yet to play FC cricket!

 

[Barney Rubble]

Bell as the next captain i thought he was immensly struggling for runs, and cant even cement his place I really cant see that happening.




if u ask me i will say kevin pietersen or Andrew strauss.

I didn't say Bell would be the next captain, I said in a few years time after someone else. And he will cement his place over the winter, he's too good a player not to.

Pietersen as captain? That's possibly one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

 

[Barney Rubble]

No idea - but I don't see Vaughan enjoying anything other than a long reign, and by that time Strauss will possibly have missed the captaincy boat on age grounds. Could well be Alistair Cook, or someone even yet to play FC cricket!

Fine by me - if Vaughan is captain for another five years, it'll mean we've been very successful!

Although someone yet to play FC cricket is pushing it - they'd probably have to emerge, play well, and cement themselves as one of England's key players all inside the next five years or so. Saying that, look at Graeme Smith, so you could be right.

You're right about Strauss on age grounds, actually - shame, as I think he'd make a great captain, did a good job at Middlesex. Cook might well be a good shout.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Or even, whisper it, Alex Loudon.

 

[greg]

now dont tell me u would rely on Hoggard to bowl good spells after some months, Vaughan Scoring a century after a similar period, Harmison breaking the back of THE MIGHT WINDIES once a while just imagine a team without flintoff for a sec.

I don't really understand this post. Perhaps you should check out Strauss and Trescothick batting and Hoggard's bowling in South Africa, Jones' bowling at Old Trafford and Trent Bridge, Harmison bowling at Lords (OK we didn't win that one but not his fault), Pietersen batting at the Oval...

 

[greg]

Andrew Flintoff.

 

[Go_India]

Pietersen as captain? That's possibly one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

when did i say now, i said in a few years time after someone else by that time he would have definetly cemented his place.

 

[nehrafan]

Shoaib & nehrafan - cut it out please. Just calm down and leave it here, it brings nothing to the forum!

And to nehrafan this is your final warning following your warning last week.

James, my earlier remark was indeed inappropriate and i regret that, but in this thread i haven't said anything to get warnings.

MY views on certain players are based on facts and some ppl shouldn't get offended if i rubbishes off those players.

 

[nehrafan]

Riaz Afridi's action has never been reported to ICC.And who the hell r u to crticize my nation & use abusive remarks?

When did i criticize ur nation?? Does Sami represents the whole Pak nation?? I hope not.

 

[Go_India]

I don't really understand this post. Perhaps you should check out Strauss and Trescothick batting and Hoggard's bowling in South Africa, Jones' bowling at Old Trafford and Trent Bridge, Harmison bowling at Lords (OK we didn't win that one but not his fault), Pietersen batting at the Oval...

What i mean to say is, if u follow all the tests, its basically Flintoff who establishes a solid position for england. It was mostly due to his bowling or batting performances which led to Ashes victory for england.

Hoggard, well that was one test i thought he performed the best.

Harmison at lords??? what happend in the rest of the test matches???

Jones is yet to really prove himself.

 

[greg]

What i mean to say is, if u follow all the tests, its basically Flintoff who establishes a solid position for england. It was mostly due to his bowling or batting performances which led to Ashes victory for england.

Hoggard, well that was one test i thought he performed the best.

Harmison at lords??? what happend in the rest of the test matches???

Jones is yet to really prove himself.

Flintoff was the only player who consistently contributed (with either bat or ball) to every test match (outside Lords). But then it's not surprising that our best player, who has two chances to excel in every game (ie. with bat OR ball) should be our most consistent performer and the one who makes the most matchwinning contributions. There were plenty of other crucial, even "matchwinning" contributions from others along the way and over the last year and a half.