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Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
From where have you got the height stats please.tooextracool said:
Any ocassion he makes the runs will be discounted to conditions suitable to him and when he gets out it will be put down to his apparent weakness. I am not a weatherman. As I said, we wont agree on this. Hayden can play all kinds of bowling pretty well whatever I have watched in various conditions.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Accusation to save face?marc71178 said:
Funny. Accuse some one and move away from proving a point. I know where we are getting Marc.There is no relevence to the theory that the current Aussie batsmen cant face a specifc attack because of the Ashes. My previous reply to Greg can be read for this. Which is exacly why the Windies comment is relevant.
tooextracool
International Coach
mcgraths height is in his cricinfo profile.Pratyush said:
mark ealhams height is from here: http://stellargroup.co.uk/cricket.php?id=70&arrid=7&PHPSESSID=80cff2b7dfa807fc6c3bf159ac6eee6b
and pollocks height is from memory.
then provide examples of occasions when he did this. provide a valuable explanation as to how he failed both times in england. and please provide a reason why his technique is so poor.Pratyush said:
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Yes playing 4 bowlers is much tougher. But if a team is not given the opportunity to face 4 quality bowlers over a period of time and face just one series - how can you say they have a weakness towards such an attack.marc71178 said:
That is jumping to conclusions more than any thing.
tooextracool
International Coach
for one thing, to have any sort of advantage you have to be at least 6'4 or 6'5. anything else and you cant really get anything more out of a pitch than someone 3-4 inches shorter than you can.Pratyush said:
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
lol at than autograph at the bottom, it looks like Shaun Pillock
favourite film Cool Runnings
favourite film Cool Runnings
THE WAY IT WAS: A joker, cheaters and artists —Mian Ijaz Ul Hassan
Andrew Flintoff and Simon Jones’s reverse swing bowling in the Ashes revived familiar memories. It was like seeing Englishmen having our chicken fried rice with hot curry, in a London restaurant. Remember Imran bowling to Vishwanath? In those days reverse swing was called ‘cheating’
One of my friends complained the day before yesterday that writers nowadays put down whatever comes to their mouths. He was apparently not referring to me. But ever since I have been wondering if he was subtly suggesting that I should think my thoughts through before proceeding to write down what I have to say. That would take the fun out of writing. Would it not?
The purpose of writing, or any other creative pursuit, as the artist whose sculpture has been recently installed at the Trafalgar Square put it, is to, “create space for thoughts to occur”. Paul Klee, the Swiss painter, confessed that things happened when he took the line “for a walk”.
Today, I am generally better focused; and it is about cricket. My interest in cricket doesn’t go beyond occasionally watching it on the TV. It reached its climax when I played for Aitchison College and toured India in 1954 to play against Dehra Doon School. In spite of several bad decisions by the umpire, an Indian general who was the commandant of the India Military Academy at Dehra Doon — sweet of him to have taken interest in cricket — the Doon boys were soundly thrashed.
Mr Rabb of the Aitchison was a terrific coach. He would focus on one or two players at a time. I cannot recall him ever discussing the finer aspects of batting or bowling with me. He would tell every batsman to “play with a straight bat, in line with the ball”. His exact words were “shisha wakha”. Meaning, hold the bat like a mirror to the bowler. He was a terrific coach.
He coached Imran Khan, who was a batsman at school but later became famous for his bowling. Majid Khan, who bowled at school, similarly became better known later for his batting. Their elder cousin, my friend Javed Zaman, could cut and swing the ball both ways, never knowing how the ball would behave when he bowled it. There was always an element of surprise, for the bowler as well as the batsman.
Recently the Ashes revived my interest in cricket. The English have such a fine team. They behaved well and played well. I am afraid the Australian captain acted rather miserably with his stream of improprieties when a substitute fielder ran him out. I must also say the comments and discussions in the commentary box were first rate, though at times some essentials were missed. Shane Warne is no doubt a great bowler but talking of leg-spin bowling throughout the five Tests, how can anyone overlook Abdul Qadir.
Abdul Qadir revived leg-spin bowling when everyone had declared it dead. I recall that when Shane Warne was in Pakistan he privately called on Qadir. I wish the conversation had been recorded. Perhaps one day when Warne has retired after having taken another 100 Test wickets, he can pen down the conversation. It could be of great benefit to young spin bowlers.
I also recall the coarse comment Richie Benaud made when Qadir was delivering his first overs. As you may know Qadir bowled like a swirling dervish. He would approach, bouncing with each stride, distracting the batsman by shifting the ball from one hand to the other, leaving him uncertain about where he was going to bowl from. His body language was intimidating; his leg breaks, flippers and googlies deceptive. In those days umpires were not sympathetic to leg-spin bowling.
On this occasion, Benaud was in the commentary box and Qadir was bowling with his usual inimitable aggression. A ball completely baffled the batsman, getting him on the pads before the stumps. Qadir turned with alacrity and writhing on bended knees appealed at the pitch of a mosque loudspeaker. The umpire dismissively disposed of the appeal. Whether or not the batsman was out is not the issue. I was taken aback when Benaud said of Qadir, “He is a joker.”
I remember the comment to this day because Benaud was something special and the comment so unlike him. He must have chided himself for the comment as the match progressed. The ‘fool’ soon changed the whole course of spin-bowling.
I must confess also that Andrew Flintoff and Simon Jones’s reverse swing bowling in the Ashes revived familiar memories. It was like seeing Englishmen having our chicken fried rice with hot curry, in a London restaurant. Remember Imran bowling to Vishwanath? In those days reverse swing was called ‘cheating’, now it has been upgraded to an art form. Typically it is impossible for the colonies to achieve anything unless it is first acknowledged or approved ‘up there’.
Tauqir A Khan who plays golf rather well and takes keen interest in cricket jotted down some thoughts to humour his friends on the subject of reverse swing bowling. With his permission, I wish to share those with the readers. This tongue-in-cheek narrative assumes that the Pakistanis have only recently invented the reverse swing.
“In present times one wonders if Waqar Younas and Wasim Akram had unleashed — so far unknown — reverse swing bowling on the world, would the tabloids have — as they did in the nineties — called it ‘cheating’ and ‘ball tampering’? I don’t think so.
“The tabloid reports would have been somewhat like this:
“It is reliably learnt that in a spectacular raid the Scotland Yard has arrested two terrorists named Waqar and Wasim who are believed to be of Pakistani origin. A box containing weapons of mass destruction resembling red round balls has been recovered from their possession.
“On condition of anonymity a senior investigating officer has disclosed that there is irrefutable evidence that the arrested terrorists are students of a madrassa called Madrassa tul Saudagran e Raftar (School of Speed Merchants). It is believed that Allama Sarfraz Nawaz Mozangvi founded the seminary.
“It has been further disclosed that after their initial training at the seminary they secretly crossed over to the Taliban territory where they were extensively trained at the camps by the notorious Maulana Imran Khan Niazi in the skill of accurately lodging these terrorist devices.
“Presently the two terrorists are being held at some unknown place. They are to be further investigated for planning proliferation of weapons of mass destruction as the two have separately confessed conniving to get contracts with the English counties. Had the plot not been uncovered in time it is feared that the accused could have trained born-and-bred Englishmen in the use of these weapons of mass destruction.
Andrew Flintoff and Simon Jones’s reverse swing bowling in the Ashes revived familiar memories. It was like seeing Englishmen having our chicken fried rice with hot curry, in a London restaurant. Remember Imran bowling to Vishwanath? In those days reverse swing was called ‘cheating’
One of my friends complained the day before yesterday that writers nowadays put down whatever comes to their mouths. He was apparently not referring to me. But ever since I have been wondering if he was subtly suggesting that I should think my thoughts through before proceeding to write down what I have to say. That would take the fun out of writing. Would it not?
The purpose of writing, or any other creative pursuit, as the artist whose sculpture has been recently installed at the Trafalgar Square put it, is to, “create space for thoughts to occur”. Paul Klee, the Swiss painter, confessed that things happened when he took the line “for a walk”.
Today, I am generally better focused; and it is about cricket. My interest in cricket doesn’t go beyond occasionally watching it on the TV. It reached its climax when I played for Aitchison College and toured India in 1954 to play against Dehra Doon School. In spite of several bad decisions by the umpire, an Indian general who was the commandant of the India Military Academy at Dehra Doon — sweet of him to have taken interest in cricket — the Doon boys were soundly thrashed.
Mr Rabb of the Aitchison was a terrific coach. He would focus on one or two players at a time. I cannot recall him ever discussing the finer aspects of batting or bowling with me. He would tell every batsman to “play with a straight bat, in line with the ball”. His exact words were “shisha wakha”. Meaning, hold the bat like a mirror to the bowler. He was a terrific coach.
He coached Imran Khan, who was a batsman at school but later became famous for his bowling. Majid Khan, who bowled at school, similarly became better known later for his batting. Their elder cousin, my friend Javed Zaman, could cut and swing the ball both ways, never knowing how the ball would behave when he bowled it. There was always an element of surprise, for the bowler as well as the batsman.
Recently the Ashes revived my interest in cricket. The English have such a fine team. They behaved well and played well. I am afraid the Australian captain acted rather miserably with his stream of improprieties when a substitute fielder ran him out. I must also say the comments and discussions in the commentary box were first rate, though at times some essentials were missed. Shane Warne is no doubt a great bowler but talking of leg-spin bowling throughout the five Tests, how can anyone overlook Abdul Qadir.
Abdul Qadir revived leg-spin bowling when everyone had declared it dead. I recall that when Shane Warne was in Pakistan he privately called on Qadir. I wish the conversation had been recorded. Perhaps one day when Warne has retired after having taken another 100 Test wickets, he can pen down the conversation. It could be of great benefit to young spin bowlers.
I also recall the coarse comment Richie Benaud made when Qadir was delivering his first overs. As you may know Qadir bowled like a swirling dervish. He would approach, bouncing with each stride, distracting the batsman by shifting the ball from one hand to the other, leaving him uncertain about where he was going to bowl from. His body language was intimidating; his leg breaks, flippers and googlies deceptive. In those days umpires were not sympathetic to leg-spin bowling.
On this occasion, Benaud was in the commentary box and Qadir was bowling with his usual inimitable aggression. A ball completely baffled the batsman, getting him on the pads before the stumps. Qadir turned with alacrity and writhing on bended knees appealed at the pitch of a mosque loudspeaker. The umpire dismissively disposed of the appeal. Whether or not the batsman was out is not the issue. I was taken aback when Benaud said of Qadir, “He is a joker.”
I remember the comment to this day because Benaud was something special and the comment so unlike him. He must have chided himself for the comment as the match progressed. The ‘fool’ soon changed the whole course of spin-bowling.
I must confess also that Andrew Flintoff and Simon Jones’s reverse swing bowling in the Ashes revived familiar memories. It was like seeing Englishmen having our chicken fried rice with hot curry, in a London restaurant. Remember Imran bowling to Vishwanath? In those days reverse swing was called ‘cheating’, now it has been upgraded to an art form. Typically it is impossible for the colonies to achieve anything unless it is first acknowledged or approved ‘up there’.
Tauqir A Khan who plays golf rather well and takes keen interest in cricket jotted down some thoughts to humour his friends on the subject of reverse swing bowling. With his permission, I wish to share those with the readers. This tongue-in-cheek narrative assumes that the Pakistanis have only recently invented the reverse swing.
“In present times one wonders if Waqar Younas and Wasim Akram had unleashed — so far unknown — reverse swing bowling on the world, would the tabloids have — as they did in the nineties — called it ‘cheating’ and ‘ball tampering’? I don’t think so.
“The tabloid reports would have been somewhat like this:
“It is reliably learnt that in a spectacular raid the Scotland Yard has arrested two terrorists named Waqar and Wasim who are believed to be of Pakistani origin. A box containing weapons of mass destruction resembling red round balls has been recovered from their possession.
“On condition of anonymity a senior investigating officer has disclosed that there is irrefutable evidence that the arrested terrorists are students of a madrassa called Madrassa tul Saudagran e Raftar (School of Speed Merchants). It is believed that Allama Sarfraz Nawaz Mozangvi founded the seminary.
“It has been further disclosed that after their initial training at the seminary they secretly crossed over to the Taliban territory where they were extensively trained at the camps by the notorious Maulana Imran Khan Niazi in the skill of accurately lodging these terrorist devices.
“Presently the two terrorists are being held at some unknown place. They are to be further investigated for planning proliferation of weapons of mass destruction as the two have separately confessed conniving to get contracts with the English counties. Had the plot not been uncovered in time it is feared that the accused could have trained born-and-bred Englishmen in the use of these weapons of mass destruction.
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