**Official** England in New Zealand 28 Nov-18 Dec 2024 - 3 Tests

[Starfighter]

I 100% believe that some teams use "playing slowly" as a deliberate tactic. It's too obvious a pattern not to be

Absolutely. Stokes' whinging to the media has been to try get the rules changed so he can engage in his gamesmanship. England need to stop the batsmen getting a rhythm.

 

[SteveNZ]

We're all wondering why it took so long for Santner to come into the attack for Southee.

Watching Tim bowl live, I'd back anyone to head out with a bat and deal with it. No zip at all

 

[morgieb]

Absolutely. Stokes' whinging to the media has been to try get the rules changed so he can engage in his gamesmanship. England need to stop the batsmen getting a rhythm.

Ironically all that it'll probably do is just fast-track them bring in a shot/over clock.

 

[Starfighter]

Ironically all that it'll probably do is just fast-track them bring in a shot/over clock.

I could see them caving, especially because a couple of non-English have come out in support. Then we'll get to see England winning by bowling 78 overs a day to keep their fast bowlers fresh and their field micrometrically adjusted.

 

[Spark]

Ironically all that it'll probably do is just fast-track them bring in a shot/over clock.

It's needed now IMO. At least bring some rigour into the discussion rather than just sort of guessing which is what it feels like is the system right now

 

[TheBrand]

I've seen the argument from English fans about "wouldn't you rather see 78 overs of exciting cricket than 90 overs of dull cricket?" which I think is extremely flawed. Given how England are playing I'd rather see 90 overs of exciting cricket haha

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Glad we waited till I was at home till we had this disaster day.

 

[ScaryMinds]

Is it just me or is Santner getting better recently?

Now the BCs need to keep their mind on the job and not throw it away from here.

 

[Starfighter]

I've seen the argument from English fans about "wouldn't you rather see 78 overs of exciting cricket than 90 overs of dull cricket?" which I think is extremely flawed. Given how England are playing I'd rather see 90 overs of exciting cricket haha

The problem is that the over rate is slow because of between ball conferences where there's no cricket happening. Nothing's more dull than nothing happening.

 

[King Kane]

Is it just me or is Santner getting better recently?

Now the BCs need to keep their mind on the job and not throw it away from here.

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He is either getting better or test batmen are getting worse, probably a bit of both, Santner is 32 now which isn't that old for a spinner, it's peak age.

 

[jcas0167]

Is it just me or is Santner getting better recently?

Now the BCs need to keep their mind on the job and not throw it away from here.

Working with Herath continues to pay dividends:

“Rangana (Herath) has been really good. Obviously in Sri Lanka and here, he took wickets all over the place. I think he was a master of that change in pace and that guile. Working with him, not just me, as a spin bowling unit has been really good, especially in these conditions that we’re not too similar to. Over here it’s playing with the seam angle a little bit more and getting one to stay down or one to bounce up.”

The mastermind behind Mitchell Santner's dream spell and dismissal of Virat Kohli in Pune - Cricxtasy

Mitchell Santner revealed working with Rangana Herath has been paying dividends and helped him dismiss Virat Kohli in the Pune Test.

cricxtasy.com

 

[Starfighter]

149k for the Bethell dismissal.

Turns out it was 142.9

 

[kevinw]

What a scorecard to wake up to. Have England just lost all intensity here because the series is over?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

He wasn't a great test opener to be honest, he was more club standard but we were struggling for test openers back then and we've had worse.

Jeet Raval played way more test matches as an opener than he deserved, I can't remember him playing a decent knock of 50 let alone an 80 odd.

Batted well against a very good SA pace attack iirc

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Nah, NZ have enough already. Now it's just about batting for long enough to make sure the bowlers are completely fresh for the second innings.

And pad stats

 

[Molehill]

Slightly unsporting of NZ not to enforce the follow on instead of trying to actually win the game.

England would’ve caved anyway. Clearly they’ve been on the golf course all week and would happily get there again asap.

 

[Prince EWS]

And pad stats

And most importantly of all, get Southee two more sixes.

 

[jcas0167]

Batted well against a very good SA pace attack iirc

Yeah, remember watching him hooking Rabada at the Basin when he was bowling like the wind.

What a scorecard to wake up to. Have England just lost all intensity here because the series is over?

O'Rourke bowled a great spell and got the ball a bit earlier than usual. Getting Brook first ball obviously makes a big difference.

 

[Skyliner]

I saw Brook out there practicing his golf swing when he noticed the camera on him. All this ‘we’d rather be playing golf’ stuff comes across as arrogant and disrespectful, a convenient cop out.

 

[Days of Grace]

Ian Smith making the case for this instead of O'Rourke on radio. Could have had a crack at the 100 sixes milestone. Now potentially won't get another bat.

I can almost guarantee if they lose a wicket close to a declaration we’ll see Southee out there.