*Official* England in New Zealand 2019

[NZTailender]

tbh I don't hate the Seifert decision because he absolutely smashed it in his regular innings. Also, even though we would obviously want to win any series we play, it wasn't a WC so trying a newbie in a pressure situation (probably the biggest pressure situation) in what is essentially a dry run is not a bad thing at all. Better to have options for a super over in a WC than going "uh, I dunno, guess we'll go with Guptill and Neesham again?"

Seifert will hopefully be a white ball monster for us in the coming years especially since he can kinda wear gloves too. No point shielding him - get him as much exposure as possible.

 

[Athlai]

Takeaways from this series:

5 matches is way too many for a T20 series.
The game starting times were stupid and should never be repeated.
Guptill suffers from a witches curse to never find happiness.

 

[jcas0167]

tbh I don't hate the Seifert decision because he absolutely smashed it in his regular innings. Also, even though we would obviously want to win any series we play, it wasn't a WC so trying a newbie in a pressure situation (probably the biggest pressure situation) in what is essentially a dry run is not a bad thing at all. Better to have options for a super over in a WC than going "uh, I dunno, guess we'll go with Guptill and Neesham again?"

Seifert will hopefully be a white ball monster for us in the coming years especially since he can kinda wear gloves too. No point shielding him - get him as much exposure as possible.

Not sure whether it was a factor, but Seifert would also be more familiar with Jordan than the others having played alongside him for ND in the last two super smash competitions. Ultimately, I think getting 18 off Jordan would have been too many for any combination more often than not. If Ferguson is available I think he should bowl Super Overs.

My Super Over batting choices would probably be Guptill, Neesham & Seifert. Ross Taylor used to be the guy for Super Overs. He partnered with Guptill in a win over Australia and Oram in a loss to the Windies (where Gayle smashed 20+ off Vettori).

 

[Prince EWS]

tbh I don't hate the Seifert decision because he absolutely smashed it in his regular innings. Also, even though we would obviously want to win any series we play, it wasn't a WC so trying a newbie in a pressure situation (probably the biggest pressure situation) in what is essentially a dry run is not a bad thing at all. Better to have options for a super over in a WC than going "uh, I dunno, guess we'll go with Guptill and Neesham again?"

Seifert will hopefully be a white ball monster for us in the coming years especially since he can kinda wear gloves too. No point shielding him - get him as much exposure as possible.

Yeah I liked it at the time even though it didn't work out. I'm not sure why he faced the first ball though. I probably would've gone with Guptill+CdG with Seifert as the extra batsman if a wicket fell. It was pretty close to that so I don't think it was the clanger it's been made out. Meh.

 

[thierry henry]

Like I pretty much don't care but....isn't it kinda bad that we lost at home to a near England B team?

Also Neesham failing to defend 13 off 3 bowling to Chris Jordan is a pretty huge fail. Still hard to pin down whether he is actually clutch or not. 2 out of 3 rank full tosses.

 

[thierry henry]

Another thought on Neesham - compared to say 5 years ago, it seems like he runs in faster but bowls slower. Neesham 1.0 was bowling 140kph while dawdling in and not even having a proper jump into his delivery stride. It all looks better now and he might be a slightly better bowler too, but I kinda miss that goofy raw version.

 

[jcas0167]

Like I pretty much don't care but....isn't it kinda bad that we lost at home to a near England B team?

Also Neesham failing to defend 13 off 3 bowling to Chris Jordan is a pretty huge fail. Still hard to pin down whether he is actually clutch or not. 2 out of 3 rank full tosses.

Well yeah, it suggests that if NZ are going to have any hope in the T20 WC they need Ferguson. The back-up bowlers are cannon fodder.

 

[NZTailender]

Another thought on Neesham - compared to say 5 years ago, it seems like he runs in faster but bowls slower. Neesham 1.0 was bowling 140kph while dawdling in and not even having a proper jump into his delivery stride. It all looks better now and he might be a slightly better bowler too, but I kinda miss that goofy raw version.

He was also pretty rank average even with that speed.

 

[NZTailender]

Like I pretty much don't care but....isn't it kinda bad that we lost at home to a near England B team?

Also Neesham failing to defend 13 off 3 bowling to Chris Jordan is a pretty huge fail. Still hard to pin down whether he is actually clutch or not. 2 out of 3 rank full tosses.

Just didn't come off. His bowling in the WC final was seriously impressive. Would want this to happen more often than not to say "nah he just sucks at the death" but also the same for the inverse before we can say he's our premier death bowler.

 

[Flem274*]

Well yeah, it suggests that if NZ are going to have any hope in the T20 WC they need Ferguson. The back-up bowlers are cannon fodder.

tickners good but kuggs is not cutting it. jamieson was gun in the super smash, not sure why he continues to be ignored.

sodhi is playing for his international career afaic.

 

[Prince EWS]

Like I pretty much don't care but....isn't it kinda bad that we lost at home to a near England B team?

Also Neesham failing to defend 13 off 3 bowling to Chris Jordan is a pretty huge fail. Still hard to pin down whether he is actually clutch or not. 2 out of 3 rank full tosses.

I don't think he choked so much as he's just not very good at bowling. He can bowl some good spells sometimes but the mechanics of action make him inherently inconsistent. Sometimes he'll just get it wrong whether it's a high pressure situation or not.

 

[Moss]

IIRC Astle had gone to Sri Lanka, had one good outing with the ball in the final t20, only to be ignored once again here. While that shouldn't be a surprise for anyone who's followed his career, I would've thought a five match series would be the one opportunity to figure out if a fringe guy deserves more chances or not. Particularly with Sodhi struggling so badly.

 

[thierry henry]

Poor old Ish was becoming an elite T20 specialist like 18 months ago. Now he just seems to have lost it altogether. Not sure if something is genuinely mechanically or mentally wrong or just the ups and downs of T20?

 

[ataraxia]

Maybe sides have just worked out how to play him. He definitely should be persisted with however.

 

[Flem274*]

test side seems fairly obvious to me

latham
raval
williamson
taylor
nicholls
watling
de grandhomme
southee
somerville
wagner
boult

ferguson on standby if anyone comes out underdone or floaty, seifert a reserve bat with young injured and conway unqualified and blundell as gloveman reserve if watling pulls up lame. ajaz reserve spinner. neesham reserve allrounder.

 

[Moss]

test side seems fairly obvious to me

latham
raval
williamson
taylor
nicholls
watling
de grandhomme
southee
somerville
wagner
boult

ferguson on standby if anyone comes out underdone or floaty, seifert a reserve bat with young injured and conway unqualified and blundell as gloveman reserve if watling pulls up lame. ajaz reserve spinner. neesham reserve allrounder.

Yup, quite straightforward though I suspect Ajaz will start over Somerville knowing they like sticking to the pecking order. Would also love to see Ferguson in there but not at Wagner's expense, and Southee isn't going anywhere (did bowl well in SL though).

What about a reserve opener, is there anyone who'd make a decent standby at this point? Also, if either opener is having a difficult summer, do they get persisted with until the end of the Australia tour? (Asking this knowing fully well your thoughts on Raval vs Latham). I sure hope it doesn't come to this, but can see the management willing to move Nicholls up to open if there's an issue with the opening spot.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yup, quite straightforward though I suspect Ajaz will start over Somerville knowing they like sticking to the pecking order. Would also love to see Ferguson in there but not at Wagner's expense, and Southee isn't going anywhere (did bowl well in SL though).

What about a reserve opener, is there anyone who'd make a decent standby at this point? Also, if either opener is having a difficult summer, do they get persisted with until the end of the Australia tour? (Asking this knowing fully well your thoughts on Raval vs Latham). I sure hope it doesn't come to this, but can see the management willing to move Nicholls up to open if there's an issue with the opening spot.

Seifert has opened quite a bit in the PS; if an opener is injured/dropped and he's the reserve batsman as suggested then I suspect it'll be a straight swap.

 

[Flem274*]

greg hay

 

[SteveNZ]

I don't think he choked so much as he's just not very good at bowling. He can bowl some good spells sometimes but the mechanics of action make him inherently inconsistent. Sometimes he'll just get it wrong whether it's a high pressure situation or not.

This is exactly it. I've had the conversation/argument a lot that lack of performance in a pressure situation does not equal choke, if the performance hasn't deviated very far from the norm. Neesham is an inconsistent bowler. Always has been. He started the over well then missed lengths two balls of the over, which I'd by and large expect him to do at any stage.

And Ish is going through a dry spell confidence wise, which can have bad consequences as a leggie. He'll be back

 

[ataraxia]

Tbh all 4 seamers could play and Williamson can ply his trade as spinner (or Neesham with his cutters? Neesh definitely should be played around with at this level). I suspect Santner will play however, he did just bowl himself to a strong position.