***Official*** England in New Zealand 2018

[SteveNZ]

If Root had retired ..It was stumps...No-one else would have had to come in and Root would have carried on today....there woulkd have been no "Snorter"

Really? A retirement means the allotted over doesn't have to be bowled out? OK, different scenario then perhaps. I find it strange that a) a retirement could negate a ball having to be bowled (it's not a dismissal) b) someone could, in all reality, retire then come back next ball - even if that is on another day.

 

[Andy1867]

Really? A retirement means the allotted over doesn't have to be bowled out? OK, different scenario then perhaps. I find it strange that a) a retirement could negate a ball having to be bowled (it's not a dismissal) b) someone could, in all reality, retire then come back next ball - even if that is on another day.

Same rule as if a wicket drops in the last over....Its stumps..
Although you may be right on facing the next ball...I meant Root could return the next day...perhaps after Stokes had hit 3

 

[Larwood's_boots]

Really? A retirement means the allotted over doesn't have to be bowled out? OK, different scenario then perhaps. I find it strange that a) a retirement could negate a ball having to be bowled (it's not a dismissal) b) someone could, in all reality, retire then come back next ball - even if that is on another day.

I'm not sure if once you retire another batsman has to go in, regardless of the end of day quirk. Might have involved sending in a night watchmen to finish out the over then Root coming back once they were out- still probably would have made sense given the balance of the game.

 

[Larwood's_boots]

Same rule as if a wicket drops in the last over....Its stumps..
Although you may be right on facing the next ball...I meant Root could return the next day...perhaps after Stokes had hit 3

Feel like we’re laughing but can you imagine if stokes comes in, gets his head right and grinds out a boycott style century to hold on to a ninth wicket partnership with Anderson, thereby saving the draw and giving the ginger dynamo the ultimate redemption!!!

Or he gets a duck, goes out on the lash and sparks out a couple of pissed up kiwis celebrating outside a alcopop fueled meat market on Auckland high street, gotta be one or the other right?

 

[Andy1867]

Feel like we’re laughing but can you imagine if stokes comes in, gets his head right and grinds out a boycott style century to hold on to a ninth wicket partnership with Anderson, thereby saving the draw and giving the ginger dynamo the ultimate redemption!!!

Or he gets a duck, goes out on the lash and sparks out a couple of pissed up kiwis celebrating outside a alcopop fueled meat market on Auckland high street, gotta be one or the other right?

Anyone think the latter scenario more likely?

 

[BeeGee]

Really? A retirement means the allotted over doesn't have to be bowled out? OK, different scenario then perhaps. I find it strange that a) a retirement could negate a ball having to be bowled (it's not a dismissal) b) someone could, in all reality, retire then come back next ball - even if that is on another day.

That isn't correct. If Root had retired hurt Stokes ( or the night watchman, or whoever was coming in next) would be batting. Root would come back in at the fall of the next wicket.

Also, Root was compromised by his injury when he got out. It was a 100% certainty that the next ball he got after the injury would be short and at his fingers. It's hard to know how much of a roll the injury played in his dismissal, but he played the ball very awkwardly.

 

[Howsie]

You know what I love about the Southee-Boult opening partnership

in the u19 CWC they played together - Southee was the world beater hooping the ball at decent enough pace and Boult looked like a little turtle running in bowling at park cricket speeds.

Boult is now Trent Akram. Tim is...

Yep, nobody could’ve seen this happening 10 years ago.

 

[Immenso]

The phrase 'conversion rate' started appearing I think last summer, I kind of dismissed it at the time as I'd never heard it be a big thing for any other player. But now it's pretty much undeniable, a self-fulfilling prophecy even. At the end of the day I reckon your star man getting a ton every couple of innings is probably going to win you a lot more tests than getting fifty almost every time.

You weren't around for Stephen Fleming's career?

Conversation rate is a big issue if it's your best batsman. Even bigger issue if the rest of the batting is mediocre (post KP & Bell, Cook in decline)

 

[Immenso]

75% draw. 25% NZ win.

 

[Larwood's_boots]

You weren't around for Stephen Fleming's career?

Conversation rate is a big issue if it's your best batsman. Even bigger issue if the rest of the batting is mediocre (post KP & Bell, Cook in decline)

It’s a newer thing in England maybe, I’d never heard it before roots struggles. Wouldn’t say the batting lineup is inherently mediocre but has huge holes at the top, weird situation where you’re expecting the lions share of runs from your non specialists.

 

[Bahnz]

75% draw. 25% NZ win.

Why don't you go throw your weekly paycheck on the draw then? B365 has it paying $3.25 right now.

Though I do have to say, the similarity of the state of the game to the 2013 Eden Park test is slightly unnerving.

 

[Immenso]

Why don't you go throw your weekly paycheck on the draw then? B365 has it paying $3.25 right now.

Though I do have to say, the similarity of the state of the game to the 2013 Eden Park test is slightly unnerving.

Because I get paid monthly, not until the 28th .......

I already have a weather forecast based (pre 58 all out) bet on the draw. At pretty much the same odds.

 

[BeeGee]

75% draw. 25% NZ win.

I disagree with those numbers. I'd say they were the other way round, 50/50 at worst.

 

[_Ed_]

Yeah, I'd say I'm about 60/40 on us winning today. I would have been much more nervous if Root was still not out.

 

[_Ed_]

Root's pain runs through England - ESPNcricinfo

 

[Larwood's_boots]

I disagree with those numbers. I'd say they were the other way round, 50/50 at worst.

Agree with you if there’s no rain for sure

 

[Bahnz]

Agree with you if there’s no rain for sure

The forecast is basically for fine weather.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

I think we’ll sweep through them pretty easily, tbh. England don’t have the best record for batting out draws. And this isn’t 2013 ... Boult and Wagner are much better bowlers now, and we’re not going to rely on 39 overs from Bruce Martin!

 

[SteveNZ]

That isn't correct. If Root had retired hurt Stokes ( or the night watchman, or whoever was coming in next) would be batting. Root would come back in at the fall of the next wicket.

Also, Root was compromised by his injury when he got out. It was a 100% certainty that the next ball he got after the injury would be short and at his fingers. It's hard to know how much of a roll the injury played in his dismissal, but he played the ball very awkwardly.

OK, I still find it wrong that an injury can curtail the final over of a day or a session. If Root had've been able to go off and allow Stokes to resume the next day, I imagine NZ would've been filthy not to be able to get either one ball at Root or one at the new batsman.

 

[thierry henry]

need a TH contribution here. We don't know what type of shoes each one is wearing.

The Sheeran pics with KW and Boult and Henry reinforced approximately what I thought about the height of all of these individuals

Henry 6'1"
Boult 6'
KW 5' 8 1/2"
Ed 5'7 1/2"

The internet's foremost height guesser gives Sheeran 5' 7 3/4"

https://www.celebheights.com/s/Ed-Sheeran-47668.html

Williamson is listed 5'8" everywhere I can find which seems a bare minimum to me. He might be one of the few guys out there who is underlisted.