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***Official*** England in India
- Thread starter Jarquis
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I agree with that.
Sorry, let me contextualise what I meant.
I am not suggesting this England side is one of the best ever. They aren't a great West Indies or Australia. I mean they are great in terms of this era.
I still believe that the SA series, England were all over the shop mentally though. I am not convinced it is as simple as saying SA are far better than England.
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Not really, they have 2 series coming up but we have potentially this win followed by double headers against New Zealand and Australia which I fancy us to win. Do that and we may go above them anyway whether we deserve to or not. Clearly SA and England are the top 2 sides and personally i'd say that SA are better than us but the fixtures coming up mean we may go above them.
Prince EWS
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I rate this England side more than most (was one of the only people to tip an England series win here for example) but they are not a great side. I think you're just using the word a bit differently to how we typically do here though.
In terms of getting back to #1, they need to fix the batting up. I never quite bought into the massive subcontinent weaknesses as such but their batting lineup isn't a patch on South Africa's or indeed the side that got them to #1 recently. If Root, Compton and Bairstow can really cement themselves as good Test players (or Bell stops being Bell and starts performing to his ability consistently) then we're talking, but until then England are a clear but distant #2 for mine. And they've got ten Tests against the #3 side around the corner as well.
Teja.
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It's so depressing that it has been less than 2 years since this side went to South Africa and were in a winning position in the third test before a Kallis masterclass ended the awesomely competed series in a draw. Tendulkar, the then best batsman in the world, was absolutely amazing against some top class bowling and Laxman played one of the best knocks I've seen to win us a game (96 and 43 in a game where no-one else scored a 50).
I shudder to think what would happen if this Indian side tours there now considering that they've just beaten England away and India has gone 0-4 0-4 1-3 since then.
I shudder to think what would happen if this Indian side tours there now considering that they've just beaten England away and India has gone 0-4 0-4 1-3 since then.
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Yeah don't think anyone really thinks England are a 'great' side.
Simplisitc, but great teams have great players. England have one player who plays great innings from time to time, and to use the Trevor Bailey criteria, a couple of very very good players in Cook and Anderson and a very good one in Prior.
A similar England side drew 1-1 with SA in SA not too long ago.
India are done. Some of their highly rated batsman just don't possess the patience for Test cricket and dare I say it, lack technique.
If India were interested in Test cricket, the likes of Pujara, Kohli etc would be arranging to play in England/Australia etc to learn how to deal with different conditions. They aren't bothered. India is solely focused on the money and if it isn't sorted out soon, losing at home will become far more regular than in any previous era.
centurymaker
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centurymaker
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yeah. it's guys like gambhir/sehwag, tendulkar and dhoni who are under scrutiny as they haven't done anything SIGNIFICANT for a long time.
stumpski
International Captain
True, but at least they represent the future - it's too late for the likes of Sehwag and Dhoni to bother with county cricket. And why would they, or Sharma who could be very effective in CC, bother when they can make far more in a few weeks in IPL than in a whole season in England?
Furball
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They didn't win those games.
The elder statesmen of Indian cricket are too set in their ways to go abroad and improve. The next generation are the chaps that should be doing it.
India worked hard to lose the reputation of having a soft underbelly in the 80's. The next generation unless it sorts itself out and stops the obsession with 20/20 slogging is going to go a long way to reinforcing that same perception.
Where will India win abroad again ? Honestly ? Zimbabwe ?
centurymaker
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the guy is claiming the english side to be 'great'.
Reality check (compared to even 2 yrs ago)-
-No dravid (who generally loves playing england)
-No laxman (rescue man, clutch player)
-A finished tendulkar who even kept getting bowled against NZ seamers.
-35 yr Sehwag with diminished hand-eye coordination and who has not been the same since his operation.
-I am not even going to touch on the bowling
-On top of that, this team has been losing comprehensively since 2011. The senior players especially are all mentally shattered. As soon as India fall behind in the game, they crumble. There is hardly any intensity in the field, and the captain has overstayed by at least a yr.
All in all, it's no better than merely a mediocre side at home and a completely rubbish side abroad.
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Teja.
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Yeah, good point, well made.
You don't win for taking 19 wickets - Test cricket does not work like that. A 1-1 is a 1-1.
L Trumper
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No one is doing that.
centurymaker
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india will play fewer and fewer tests in the future.
This side could even lose in bangladesh or come very close to it tbh.
Monty turned the series around in Mumbia from the bowling perspective. Without him I wonder if we would be saying completely different things right now.
"english side's **** in asia" etc