I don't think 4 bowlers is an option. We just saw what having a 5th option did for England even with the imbalance in pacers, I think it'll be difficult to suggest that Siraj should go, especially when he was barely given a chance to bowl.
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*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour
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To me, the issue was more on how he was used rather than anything with him specifically. There were times when the spinners just bowled forever rather than having a mixture of pace and spin more often to try and disrupt the run scoring. This pitch wasn't really one where he was that useless.
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This may become one of the reasons used to drop him though. Why have a guy who can’t bat and bowls a handful of overs every game? He’s played 7 at home now and averages 1wpm at 30 and bowls 10 overs per game.
Edit: you’re right that he isn’t used well though
Would just suck tbh. "Oh we misused you and you haven't delivered, so we'll drop you" is IMO terrible team management. I mean he's been that sort of player you can throw the ball to in order to get a wicket at times at home, like Chennai 2nd Test or Ahmedabad 4th Test against England in 2021, or when he gets that freak spell like at the Wankhede 2021 vs NZ, so to me this game was really baffling as far as how he was used. Even against Australia at Nagpur and Delhi he had his moments. And on top of that this is his home ground, so to not trust in his experience here even against England's ability to score quickly vs pace is poor.
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Oh yeah Rohit was poor this test.
I still don’t think he adds more than alternatives though unfortunately.
Shady Slim
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this is always the question you should be asking when thinking of dropping players. it's not just whether that player is contributing anything to the team, it's what they're contributing over and above what you think your foreshadowed replacement guy would bring to the table
honestbharani
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Siraj is fine and has not been used well by Rohit but its also true Kuldeep may add more to the side than him.
Kenneth Viljoen
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I would not drop Siraj I would use him better than what Rohit did ..
Rohit was very submissive to his spin bowlers instead of being fair to all the bowlers despite Pope carting them to all parts with his sweeping skills. As a captain you should not sacrifice players you didn't use properly.
Rohit was very submissive to his spin bowlers instead of being fair to all the bowlers despite Pope carting them to all parts with his sweeping skills. As a captain you should not sacrifice players you didn't use properly.
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That's one way to look at it. It could also be "we shouldn't have selected you in the first place and there's no point you being here if you're not going to bowl". Not so much dropped as team balance was changed to suit conditions
Jadeja/Ashwin have been left out overseas before and they're much better players than Siraj
Jadeja/Ashwin weren't being left out to field only 4 bowlers most of that time, they came in for each other. And India's hasn't played one pacer at home for a long time. It upsets the balance of their attack and doesn't give them as much flexibility in terms of bowling plans throughout an innings.
Chin Music
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Great stat! How many unconverted 50s have England players scored over test history?
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I wasn't commenting on what the team selection should be, but that sounds reasonable
50-99 on 2278 occasions.
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So Jadeja might miss the entire series which sucks.
But it also gives us a great excuse for the upcoming series loss so yay.
But it also gives us a great excuse for the upcoming series loss so yay.
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That's a shame. Then again given his age and the fact he plays all formats something has to give and it's usually the body.
Nintendo
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Jadejas loss is just as much his batting and fielding as his bowling, tbf. He's arguably been India's best batsmen in the past two years (bar maybe pant), and having his bowling means you can have a guy like axar who's a good #7 on output at 8, and ashwin at 9 when he's realistically a #8.
Taking jadeja away means you have to make a sacrifice somewhere, which is especially hard to do when you have a keeper like Bharat who's made the runs of a #8. India don't have anyone who can average 47 with the bat at 6/7 while also acting as a second spinner.
Victor Ian
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Can you do all countries centuries and 50s? I'd have done it myself, but I've just finished my smoko.