*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

[Molehill]

Yeah, I'm not criticising any of our seamers for not being as good as Bumrah was in the 2nd test. And Jimmy did bowl pretty well there anyway.

This next bit's tricky, but I think we need to be a bit strategic about our choice of seamers over the next couple of years, what with Wood and Woakes being 34 and 35 during this summer's tests, as well as Anderson turning 42 in July. Obviously if someone is clearly better than younger alternatives, then he plays. But if it's 50/50, then I think we should get the younger bloke in and develop him at international level.

I'd be amazed if Potts didn't see some significant action this Summer. The best seamer in the CC last year and has since done superbly for the Lions in India.

 

[Silver Silva]

I'd be amazed if Potts didn't see some significant action this Summer. The best seamer in the CC last year and has since done superbly for the Lions in India.

Do you think Anderson is holding back the next generation of England specialist fast bowlers?
The likes of Potts , Tongue, Atkinson will struggle to get games in their development the longer Anderson is there ..

 

[wpdavid]

Do you think Anderson is holding back the next generation of England specialist fast bowlers?
The likes of Potts , Tongue, Atkinson will struggle to get games in their development the longer Anderson is there ..

I wouldn't choose to word it like that. Ultimately, it's down the the powers that be to make the right call. And so long as he's better than the alternatives, then it's up to the younger guys to up their games anyway.

 

[Silver Silva]

I wouldn't choose to word it like that. Ultimately, it's down the the powers that be to make the right call. And so long as he's better than the alternatives, then it's up to the younger guys to up their games anyway.

Anderson has said he wants to retire on a nice note and on his terms, so maybe after 700..
One can understand him not retiring after the Ashes where he averaged 80 odd , I think he wants to put that right.

IND v ENG: James Anderson wants to retire on ‘nice note’, says he feels privileged to be where he is

Veteran England seamer James Anderson has no plans to retire from cricket, but whenever he does, he wants to do it on a nice note, bowing out on his terms. Playing his 186th Test match, the most by a fast bowler and second-most after Sachin Tendulkar (200), Anderson is close to completing 700...

www.google.com

 

[Arachnodouche]

He's holding up whoever's next in line. At some stage you have to start thinking about what you can give back to the game in terms of rearing the next generation, regardless of how good you might still be or perceive yourself to be. This is no different from what Tendulkar did and self-centered if not quite selfish.

 

[Molehill]

Anderson has said he wants to retire on a nice note and on his terms, so maybe after 700..
One can understand him not retiring after the Ashes where he averaged 80 odd , I think he wants to put that right.

IND v ENG: James Anderson wants to retire on ‘nice note’, says he feels privileged to be where he is

Veteran England seamer James Anderson has no plans to retire from cricket, but whenever he does, he wants to do it on a nice note, bowing out on his terms. Playing his 186th Test match, the most by a fast bowler and second-most after Sachin Tendulkar (200), Anderson is close to completing 700...

www.google.com

I wonder if that nice note maybe when he matches or surpasses Warne.

 

[Silver Silva]

I wonder if that nice note maybe when he matches or surpasses Warne.

He should do it against WI

 

[danzydab]

potts got 20 wickets in 3 fc matches vs india a in india. those are outstanding numbers

 

[Pup Clarke]

Yeah Jimmy is on his last legs now. Give him a farewell test in the summer, but let's look at alternatives now. I honestly don't think he's the best option these days

The likes of Potts, Sam Cook, Fisher, Tongue and Atkinson absolutely need some game time in the next 12 months
They're the next generation and are all in their mid 20s so it's the perfect time to blood them

 

[SteveNZ]

Yeah it's obvious they're intellectually dishonest with their public statements at this point - instead of having something approaching an honest relationship with the press and the public, they just tactically say whatever they think will maintain morale and confidence levels, even when it's clearly nonsense.

Which is fine - their job is to win, not to be honest analysts - but it does mean we should stop taking it seriously.

Yeah, and for the first time this week their performance was a million miles off the words they were speaking. Clearly we're not at panic stations and 'Bazball is dead' yet, but I don't care what sort of confident person or group you think you are, doubts creep in when you speak 'we'll chase 600' and you actually make 122.

I think the 4th Test is by far the biggest test of their mettle so far.

 

[Hungry Llama]

Gotta wonder what sort of collective mental illness the england camp are suffering from.
A case of 1 success fuelling a dangerous level of self delusion, or just believing in their
own hype?

 

[Aidan11]

Potts got loads of wickets recently in India for the Lions.

He's not so much knocking on the door as breaking into it with an axe.

 

[mackembhoy]

Potts got loads of wickets recently in India for the Lions.

He's not so much knocking on the door as breaking into it with an axe.

Selfishly hope Durham get full use of Potts in our first go back in Division one.

Windies series is during the Blast but the Sri Lanka series is during the Championship(Notts H, Somerset A, Lancs H)

 

[SteveNZ]

Gotta wonder what sort of collective mental illness the england camp are suffering from.
A case of 1 success fuelling a dangerous level of self delusion, or just believing in their
own hype?

I mean, they still haven't lost a series in 2 years. Let's see where we're at in a couple of weeks

 

[kevinw]

I mean, they still haven't lost a series in 2 years. Let's see where we're at in a couple of weeks

4-1 to India.

 

[Socerer 01]

losing in a country where no side has won a series in over 10 years is not the indictment of bazball that some people think it is

 

[kevinw]

Anderson has said he wants to retire on a nice note and on his terms, so maybe after 700..
One can understand him not retiring after the Ashes where he averaged 80 odd , I think he wants to put that right.

IND v ENG: James Anderson wants to retire on ‘nice note’, says he feels privileged to be where he is

Veteran England seamer James Anderson has no plans to retire from cricket, but whenever he does, he wants to do it on a nice note, bowing out on his terms. Playing his 186th Test match, the most by a fast bowler and second-most after Sachin Tendulkar (200), Anderson is close to completing 700...

www.google.com

Bullying WI and SL this Summer, then he retires (though England are touring NZ next Winter, could be some pace-friendly tracks there).

 

[Father Time]

I really felt strongly that Potts & Dawson should have been in this current side. Potts because he’s young, fresh, very skilled, accurate, & can bowl lots of overs. Dawson because he’s taken a lot of wickets at County level, is experienced at first class & limited overs, can bowl tightly with control, & is a very capable batsman to have at 8 in the order. Any number of batsmen could replace Bairstow, obviously Lawrence for the Ranchi game. Incidentally does anyone have knowledge of the pitches there, what are we likely to encounter?

 

[Pup Clarke]

Spot on. Both of them should be in the squad at the very least

Bairstow is just way too 'feast or famine' for me, and in these conditions, bluntly speaking, he's just not good enough.

Actually think Livingstone could have been a decent bolter for this tour. Plays spin well and his bowling has visibly improved in recent years. It's a gamble, but I think if he can succeed anywhere it's the subcontinent

 

[kevinw]

I wonder if Atkinson is remotely close to consideration. Playing Wood in back-to-back tests is a gamble and Anderson might also need to be rotated out. Difficult to expect a fairly raw seamer to debut in this situation. Potts might have been a more risk-averse selection.

Dawson should have been out here. I know he's chosen to play in SA but if they'd said to him he would be the second spinner (and now the first), I just can't see how he'd have turned that down.