**Official** England in Bangladesh 2016

[sledger]

Well you should never leave your house ever then. Ridiculous, craven non-argument.

Again, I've not suggested that anyone do this. Stop straw-manning.

 

[Furball]

Do you realise that the distance between Bangladesh and middle east is the same as the distance between the UK and Eqypt?

Congratulations on spectacularly missing the point.

 

[Furball]

No, you're absolutely correct. A guy whose job it is to play cricket, some know nothings on a forum or a 30 year security veteran who has visited and checked out each of the security measures. Clearly all their opinions should be given the same credence.

Did you read my post about what the FCO has said?

Security procedures at the country's main airport are not of an acceptable standard.

Frankly the Bangladeshi Army has better things to do than ****** a cricket team around the country for a month, if the situation is so bad that the team needs a military ****** every time they leave a hotel then I'm skeptical of the tour going ahead.

edit: censored word is e s c o r t.

 

[Athlai]

****** wait what the ****

Ffs, the Adwords censoring is stupid

 

[Adders]

congratulations on spectacularly missing the point you boring ****wit

ftfy

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Did you read my post about what the FCO has said?

Security procedures at the country's main airport are not of an acceptable standard.

Frankly the Bangladeshi Army has better things to do than ****** a cricket team around the country for a month, if the situation is so bad that the team needs a military ****** every time they leave a hotel then I'm skeptical of the tour going ahead.

edit: censored word is e s c o r t.

Dont know when the FCO was published or evaluated but in recent weeks the security measures at the airport has increased so much so that even the loved ones can't enter no where near the airport perimeters to say good bye to the departed ones.

IMO Army presence is not needed. Police and armed forces(RAB what we call here) are good enough to provide enough security to the team. They are called only because the government wants to give extra protection and does not want to leave any gap in the measurement assuring presidential level security.

 

[wpdavid]

Do you realise that the distance between Bangladesh and middle east is the same as the distance between the UK and Eqypt?

The reason that's not the point is the activity in Bangladesh of Daesh and groups linked to Al Qaeda.

My point was that the UK's involvement in the middle east makes our national side a target for the local branches of these psychos.

 

[Dan]

I strongly believe that no human being should have to risk their lives to do their job unless they choose a profession like army or firefighter etc. I would have fully supported Morgan or anyone who don't feel safe travelling to Bangladesh or any other country deemed unsafe. The problem is that it's hard to support him on principle when he himself didn't make a principled stance on playing the IPL in India at a time it was rife with political skirmishes. That begs the question whether the same decision would have been made if this was not Bangladesh but India. Australia made a similar decision last year yet their players don't express the same concerns when playing the IPL every year.

There's a difference between spending time in India when there's some political skirmishes going on, and ISIS-aligned terrorist attacks actively targeted at Westerners.

And screw 'principle' in these situations. There's no way in hell any sane person should think they have to put themselves into a situation they feel is unsafe, simply because two years ago they were comfortable putting themselves in a position that could be seen as equivalent or worse.

 

[Furball]

ftfy

love your work.

 

[91Jmay]

Did you read my post about what the FCO has said?

Security procedures at the country's main airport are not of an acceptable standard.

Frankly the Bangladeshi Army has better things to do than ****** a cricket team around the country for a month, if the situation is so bad that the team needs a military ****** every time they leave a hotel then I'm skeptical of the tour going ahead.

edit: censored word is e s c o r t.

That travel advice is for you and me, not a ****ing international cricket team.

 

[Furball]

That travel advice is for you and me, not a ****ing international cricket team.

What about the bit where terrorist attacks may target westerners?

 

[sledger]

Yeah, because international cricket teams aren't made up of real people after all.

 

[91Jmay]

Again, that advice is for Tom, Dick and Harry travelling to Bangladesh on their own. Not a cricket team with huge security presence everywhere they will go.

 

[Compton]

To act like general security travel advice applies just as much to the England cricket team as it does the average person is stupid.

To act like the England cricket team are somehow impervious to danger because they have 'security' is equally stupid.

The answer is somewhere in between. The whole thing has been handled badly. Why are players telling the press whether or not they're travelling? These discussions should have been held privately between the ECB and the players, with the players who refuse to travel simply not being selected.

 

[91Jmay]

To act like general security travel advice applies just as much to the England cricket team as it does the average person is stupid.

To act like the England cricket team are somehow impervious to danger because they have 'security' is equally stupid.

The answer is somewhere in between. The whole thing has been handled badly. Why are players telling the press whether or not they're travelling? These discussions should have been held privately between the ECB and the players, with the players who refuse to travel simply not being selected.

Because everyone would know which players didn't want to go so we'd be in the same position, that seems a totally pointless thing to be honest.

No one is saying the security makes them invincible. Does it make them safer from terrorist attack than if they had a weekend holiday to Paris? Almost certainly.

 

[grecian]

This is tiresome, any chance it could be moved to it's own thread before the squads get announced?

 

[social]

Has anyone actually checked out the FCO website? For travel to Bangladesh, here are some selected highlights:

• Avoid all but essential travel to the Chittagong Hill Tracts
• You should exercise caution and avoid all public gatherings as protests in the country may turn violent
• Following a terrorist attack in Dhaka on 1st July 2016 that resulted in the death of 20 hostages and 2 police officers, you should remain vigilant, monitor social and local media and follow security advice to avoid certain areas
• Daesh claimed responsibility for the July 1st attack and has claimed responsibility for a number of other attacks since September 2015
• Groups affiliated to Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent are also active and have claimed responsibility for the murder of a number of people who they consider to have views and lifestyles contrary to Islam
• Security forces in Bangladesh remain on high alert following recent attacks
• There is a heightened risk of further terrorist attacks. Attacks could be indiscriminate although foreigners, particularly westerners, may be directly targeted. Crowded areas and places where westerners are known to gather could be at higher risk of attack. You should minimise your risk of exposure to these areas.
• The UK Department for Transport (DfT) recently carried out assessments of security at Dhaka International Airport. Following this, the DfT has assessed that security at Dhaka Airport does not meet some international security requirements.

Sign me up.

Friend of mine is due there in a couple of weeks and had been told that he is not eligible for travel insurance in that country

TBF, cricketers will likely be surrounded by high security but I wouldnt be going there as a casual

 

[nightprowler10]

I'm pretty wary of disputing Morgan after what happened to the Sri Lankan team in Lahore after being given similar assurances by the Pakistani government. I am not sure how bad the situation is compared to Pakistan at the time but I'm seeing a lot of parallels in the attitudes here.

 

[Dan]

And doesn't the security give you the trade off of being way more visible, too? Like, it isn't obvious when you walk past the Dhaka Hilton that some bloke called sledger is on the third room of the fourth floor and actually you know what I'd really like to blow him up because he's a ****. Whereas if you walk past the Intercontinental Chittagong that's closed off, barricaded and has sixteen tanks parked outside when the Test starts down the road tomorrow, everybody knows that Joe Root is inside. Naturally you still have to find a way past the sixteen tanks and half an army to do any damage, but no security force is perfect and it only takes one lapse.

 

[Furball]

Friend of mine is due there in a couple of weeks and had been told that he is not eligible for travel insurance in that country

TBF, cricketers will likely be surrounded by high security but I wouldnt be going there as a casual

The Australian government's advice is one step up from the UK's, your government is saying don't go to Bangladesh if it's not essential.