Prince EWS
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I'd go Dougey over Johnson every time in ODIs if Dougey is fit, particularly with Hauritz and Lee quite capable of batting 8 and 9.
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*Official* England in Australia (2 T20 & 7 ODIs)
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BoyBrumby
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He looks appreciably quicker in your clip and bowling a fuller length too, which makes me wonder why he didn't bowl further up in the PM's game. Getting some fair swing there as well, which we saw precious little of in Canberra.
Was pretty disappointed in my first look at the lad, I have to say. Was barely medium-fast pace, little movement through the air or off the seam and looked to be falling away if his delivery stride too, so not using his full height. If one was unaware of their respective careers one would assume that Pattinson was the one with the wraps on him.
Pattinson dead spit of his big bro too, isn't he? Quite uncanny.
Prince EWS
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Yeah, as I said earlier in the thread, he has problems controlling the white ball. He tries to slow himself down to bowl more accurately which doesn't really work - he doesn't complete his action and he still sprays it around at a very hittable pace. His record in one day cricket speaks for itself, really; it'd be very harsh to judge his Test prospects based on how he looked in one day cricket but I fear the selectors will do exactly that.
Outside of CW, Pattinson certainly has more wraps on him than Copeland. Copeland came into the NSW team with virtually no pedigree other than consistently good numbers in grade cricket and he's continued on his merry way in Shield cricket. CW members have rightly noticed his excellent performances and put his name forward, but Pattinson's one of the 'chosen ones' by Cricket Australia - he had big wraps on him before he was even spotted in state cricket. He certainly has more of the attributes of a typical Australian quick than Copeland and he's probably higher up the Test pecking order despite having no real right to be. I like the look of Pattinson quite a bit myself, too - more than the other two chosen ones (Hazelwood and Starc) even despite the fact that the latter two are from my state but I rate Copeland a bit higher at this stage (even if I rate Pattinson the better long-term prospect).
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robelinda
International Vice-Captain
10000% agree. Johnson can sit out all odi's IMO, and tests! Actually maybe he'd do better in odi's than tests if he gave tests up, or was forced too.
Hauritz in, Dougie in.
Woodster
International Captain
My first look at both Copeland and Pattinson the other day, and I agree with most of what's been said about them on here since. Copeland looked short of pace, was not nearly as accurate os threatening as I'd been led to believe by the positive comments about him on here. That said, it was only a one-day game and I shall delay any judgement on him till I've seen much more of him.
I liked what I saw of Pattinson, he has decent pace and a nice strong, natural action. He looked impressive, and I hope to see more of him soon.
I liked what I saw of Pattinson, he has decent pace and a nice strong, natural action. He looked impressive, and I hope to see more of him soon.
Sylvester
State Captain
He did pitch it up looking for the swing but as is the case, if it isn't swinging then it becomes a half volley. That 2nd over where he got smashed, a couple of balls were pitched up and got dispatched.
Howe_zat
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Isn't it about time we stopped considering "county" an inferior term to "state"?
Jacknife
International Captain
I know he's from Coventry and he still runs security for some bars around there, so I doubt he trains at the Wolf's Lair because that's in Widnes. Yes, Wolf's Lair is one of the 2, best gyms in the UK along with Team Rough House from Nottingham, where Dan Hardy, Paul Daley and a few other UFC fighters train.
GotSpin
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What a delivery to Manou
Nate
You'll Never Walk Alone
Haha, no robelinda! Have you read any of the posts comparing Copeland's FC to OD bowling, or watched the video above? You're normally quite intelligent and reserved.
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robelinda
International Vice-Captain
????? Ok. I'm obviously not allowed to have an opinion of my own. What on earth is your problem?
GotSpin
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Yeah all bowlers that have fast deliveries are da goodz
benchmark00
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Nah hang on, as much as I love Copes, Robelinda has a point, even if you don't want to agree with him.
I've seen him a fair bit, both live and on streamz. I wouldn't call him a country trundler, but he's not what some people are making out. His stats certainly do flatter him a bit.
Bowling at around 120-130 will cut it on juicy first class decks, but he's going to struggle on lifeless, flat wickets. You can use the examples of McGrath and even Asif, but it's a stretch to compare Copeland to them.
It's the same as George from SA. Even though I rate Copeland as a bit better than George, it won't cut it in the international game unless:
A) Pitches dramatically change, or
B) He gets it through a bit quicker.
I've seen him a fair bit, both live and on streamz. I wouldn't call him a country trundler, but he's not what some people are making out. His stats certainly do flatter him a bit.
Bowling at around 120-130 will cut it on juicy first class decks, but he's going to struggle on lifeless, flat wickets. You can use the examples of McGrath and even Asif, but it's a stretch to compare Copeland to them.
It's the same as George from SA. Even though I rate Copeland as a bit better than George, it won't cut it in the international game unless:
A) Pitches dramatically change, or
B) He gets it through a bit quicker.
robelinda
International Vice-Captain
I rate George beneath Copeland, I thought Copeland was worth a go in India, even though he wouldve got hammered. Dont know what the go is in Shield cricket this first half of the season, but bowling decks aplenty. Lots of bowlers with great stats, but pretty grassy wickets. Apart from Copeland people seem to want J Pattinson or Starc in the team, at least Copeland has a great record, but from watching him bowl he's dismissed some very ordinary shield lineups, not fault of course though obviously. I just dont like what I see thats all, unless its a grassy pitch, but then our usual test attack has shown they too are dangerous in those conditions.
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Zaheer and Anderson can move it both ways, in the air and off the deck. Copeland doesn't have those tools as of yet.
More than happy to be proven wrong, and I'd rather him in the team than say Siddle, but he's not our great saviour.
Cameron >> Copes, aws.