"Official" England A vs New Zealand A in New Zealand

[straw man]

Ya reckon?

McIntosh has started well but I don't really trust he's consistent yet, nor do I trust that pull/hook of his. How on the other hand looks great and for a while was pretty good (mainly in ODIs) but had a massive slump. History says he's crap but after his technical changes he looked a much better player.

Both are likely to disappoint, so I've said a really long version of awta.

Don't trust Guptill's pull/hook a great deal either. Think it was Richie who pointed out in the Oz series that Guptill likes the legside cross-bat shots but doesn't seem capable of hitting over them and keeping them down. Wouldn't serve him well in tests, but then again, perhaps he plays those shots a lot less in tests and is happier to duck or play straight bat shots.

 

[JimmyGS]

Don't trust Guptill's pull/hook a great deal either.

I'd say it's his best shot tbh. He does play it uppishly though.

I don't think India have any bowlers that are quick enough to trouble him on the pull shot.

 

[trapol]

Guptil shouldnt be in the test team. He is a far better short version player than long version.
He scored his first first class hundred in the last round of championship remember.
SO How and McIntosh it is then...
Ingram is rubbish...needs a flat wicket to score runs. Has less feet movement than Sinclair if thats possible
Our resident cricket god jimmy G spotHow is Southee rubbish? He is far and away better than any other 18-25 year old bowlers in NZ. If you want to talk rubbish Boult is your man. Massively overrated
And there you have it...whilst i am getting this information second hand as im not in the country its from me mate Dave and he's always right...therefore in this case im always right
tell me im wrong jimmy expert

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

tell me im wrong jimmy expert

You're wrong.

Kind Regards,
Jimmy Expert.

 

[trapol]

kindly elaborate how im wrong?

Thank you

 

[Flem274*]

Guptil shouldnt be in the test team. He is a far better short version player than long version.
He scored his first first class hundred in the last round of championship remember.
SO How and McIntosh it is then...
Ingram is rubbish...needs a flat wicket to score runs. Has less feet movement than Sinclair if thats possible
Our resident cricket god jimmy G spotHow is Southee rubbish? He is far and away better than any other 18-25 year old bowlers in NZ. If you want to talk rubbish Boult is your man. Massively overrated
And there you have it...whilst i am getting this information second hand as im not in the country its from me mate Dave and he's always right...therefore in this case im always right
tell me im wrong jimmy expert

Guptill is good

Ever herad of Trescothick, Ryder, Sehwag etc? go watch their feet movement. McIntosh is the same ftr.

Southee can't bowl in unhelpful conditions yet.

Trent Boult is not over-rated. I'd tell you over-rated, except I've recently installed a brain/mouth filter to stop my ranting about certain players. I'll just have to settle with Richard Sherlock.

You're wrong.

 

[Mixmasterreece]

Guptil shouldnt be in the test team. He is a far better short version player than long version.
He scored his first first class hundred in the last round of championship remember.
SO How and McIntosh it is then...
Ingram is rubbish...needs a flat wicket to score runs. Has less feet movement than Sinclair if thats possible
Our resident cricket god jimmy G spotHow is Southee rubbish? He is far and away better than any other 18-25 year old bowlers in NZ. If you want to talk rubbish Boult is your man. Massively overrated
And there you have it...whilst i am getting this information second hand as im not in the country its from me mate Dave and he's always right...therefore in this case im always right
tell me im wrong jimmy expert

Statements:
Guptil shouldnt be in the test team
Agreed, not yet. Long term, I see both him and How opening. Let the Gup get more ODI cricket under his belt and lets see some results out of him in the 4 dayers before frothing at the mouth for his inclusion.

Ingram is rubbish
Wouldnt say he is rubbish, but i wouldnt have him anywhere near an international lineup - especially tests

How is Southee rubbish? He is far and away better than any other 18-25 year old bowlers in NZ

Correct. But he has a lot of work to do to make the transition to a world class bowler - just like 95% of the talented youngsters who get a go early in their careers (barring Sharma). The experiment of picking him so young has probably been more successful than a lot of punters on here thought - but it has also shown that he needs to learn to bowl in unhelpful conditions and to work on his variations. This comes with age and experience, every game has been a new lesson under the belt of Southee.

Boult is your man. Massively overrated
Completely incorrect. He is only slightly behind Southee in his development. Southee and Boult will take the lead in a very dangerous NZ bowling attack in the next 5 years.

People need to realise that just because a young guy has come in and hasn't set the world on fire on a consistent basis - it doesnt mean that this is as 'good as it gets' for him. NZC has taken a very proactive approach towards 'personnel projects' and we will see the fruits of this labour over the next decade.

 

[Woodster]

There seems a distinct lack of interest from an English perspective in this thread, which I find difficult to understand as I always enjoy the speculation over the next possible England (or any other nation) players. That said this is only my second post!

Not hugely surprising seeing NZ match England's dominance with the bat. England's bowling attack is not particularly strong imo, although not massively weak either. Was hoping Robbie Joseph would go a bit better than his figures are currently suggesting, while Liam Plunkett and Luke Wright's efforts are not entirely surprising. Not a big fan of either especially, although there is some potential with Plunkett.

Davies' medium pacers seem to have held NZ up while he's been on, but a spinning trio involving Batty, Trott and Patel are never really going to test many line-ups.

Some exciting batting options in the side for England, but a lack of firepower in the bowling means the full England sides problems are not going to be eased in the close future.

 

[Woodster]

On the NZ side, pleased to see How get back in the runs. Was impressed with him during the two recent series against England, and although he had a pretty miserable time of it against WI, I still believe NZ should persevere with him.

 

[Natman20]

NZ A collapsing here. Watling must be injured

 

[FBU]

Grrrrrrr I was hoping How would get his 200.

NZ A 2 no balls
Eng 18

Fantastic scorecard from NZC. Run a ball stuff. No one does it better.
Key gives his useless teammate at bowl at the number 10 when Davies has done all the hard work. He should have kept him going to get a 5fer.

 

[Blakey]

MClenegananan takes one.

 

[trapol]

well....my so called big statements havent really been that big.

Mixmasterreece agrees with them all except the Boult one and to a lesser degree Ingram.

Of course the Boult call is huge because he has a lot of maturing/growing/learning to do but he is 125 at best and that simply doesnt augur (sp) well for him at the top level. The selectors shouldve been sacked over the Boult/Aussie selection as it was a disgrace!!!!
However i hope im proved wrong but i can tell you now, if you think Boult is worthy of being on the same field as Southee you are kidding yourself. I hope im wrong but you heard it here first...HE IS MASSIVELY OVERRATED

And im going to make another big call.....our wonder kid Jimmy G Spot will be a better cricketer than Trent Boult....you heard that one here first too

Right im all out of huge calls that could go either way.... debate away

 

[trapol]

btw - Mixmasterreece

I like your analysis of my post....you are currently the number one on my "which poster knows the most on CW website list" Well done

although you go down slightly for your view of Boult being good......

PS that lists naturally has me at the top so you are all fighting for the number 2 spot lol

 

[Mixmasterreece]

Does anyone know the status of Boult? He isnt bowling at the moment, injured perhaps?

 

[trapol]

i just gave you a compliment and you ignore it...charming

 

[Flem274*]

btw - Mixmasterreece

I like your analysis of my post....you are currently the number one on my "which poster knows the most on CW website list" Well done

although you go down slightly for your view of Boult being good......

PS that lists naturally has me at the top so you are all fighting for the number 2 spot lol

A guy with 15 posts to his name deciding who should be best poster, but also criticising them?

MMR is gun obv. (even if we spend our time disagreeing), but I think you're amusing.

Dunno if Boult is injured, bet he's still wearing the magic headband though.

 

[Mixmasterreece]

i just gave you a compliment and you ignore it...charming

Would you like a blowjob?

thank you for the compliment kind sir, I shall return the favour once i size up the cut of your jib. Good day.

 

[Bahnz]

Bore draw. Hopefully something actually happens in the next match.

Good on Jamie How for getting a score that'll probably keep his spot in the BC's safe. It was looking likely that he'd join Bell and Redmond in the "openers who were dropped after scoring a 50 in their last match" club.

 

[JimmyGS]

Guptil shouldnt be in the test team. He is a far better short version player than long version.
He scored his first first class hundred in the last round of championship remember.
SO How and McIntosh it is then...

Just because Guptill is better in the short version than he is in the long version, doesn't mean he's not as good as How in the long version. How has been given an extended run and hasn't shown anything to reward the selectors' patience.

Ingram is rubbish...needs a flat wicket to score runs. Has less feet movement than Sinclair if thats possible
Our resident cricket god jimmy G spotHow is Southee rubbish?

I don't ever remember saying Southee is rubbish.

And there you have it...whilst i am getting this information second hand as im not in the country its from me mate Dave and he's always right...therefore in this case im always right
tell me im wrong jimmy expert

So this isn't even your opinion. Your telling me that I'm wrong, yet you have no opinion of your own. Nice.