It is not the same situation as Stewart though, keeping prevented him playing his best role in the side and had a detrimental effect on his batting. As a keeper Bairstow has been brilliant with the bat and he is a fantastic at 6 or 7. The only question is if he is a good enough keeper, I think he probably is, you obviously don't which is totally fair enough, but it is not the same as the Stewart situation.
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grecian
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Yes, very few things are totally the same. You are right though I don't rate Bairstow as a 'keeper at all. In the end I just think he's grown into a more confident player, Wicket-keeping is irrelevan, but you maybe right, who knows.. I think he should be batting above Stokes though.
Of course not just Foakes in the reckoning if you think the way of me about Bairstow's Wicket-keeping, Billings too.
saifimalik
Cricket Spectator
Yep, hard to justfiy some of those inclusions other than wanting young players playing more Live Cricket ********* Scores .
mackembhoy
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Richardson and Jennings having another blinder for Durham
Commentators curse as Richardson falls for 68
Commentators curse as Richardson falls for 68
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mackembhoy
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351 runs for richardson and 398 and counting for Keats in the royal london.
Keats 4 away from another ton.
Keats 4 away from another ton.
superkingdave
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Solid over from OHD
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Couple of good wins for Yorkshire today.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
This 14 man squad of England's was a complete waste. Finn and Duckett (who aren't in CT squad) weren't going to play unless of injury. 13 (or even 12) would have been better for an inconsequential two match series. Duckett missed 3 games for Northants in that time. It seems standard for home series and it's a waste imo.
Bairstow issue I can see both ways. Don't think it's clear whether he should be in the team as a bat or keeper. Not convinced he would make it as a batsman alone at 5. Then what kind of situation are you in? Do you bring him back as keeper? But it would be nice if you have a guy averaging 45+ at 5 where he impacts games more than 6/7.
Some of the difference between the likes of Sanga, De Villiers, Stewart and Bairstow is that Bairstow is not a reluctant keeper. He desperately wants to keep wicket.
Foakes is a better keeper, so is Ben Cox, so is Billings. There are better keepers in county cricket. But it hasn't been solely about being the best keeper for a while.
Hypothetically say Bairstow averages 45 long term from 5/6/7 for England, Foakes 30 from number 7/8, Foakes takes 1 more chance per two games. What is the better option?
I think you have to be as sure as you can be that Bairstow will succeed as a bat if your going to bring in another wicketkeeper. And you have to be sure that the keeper your bringing in is top notch also and is going to contribute massively to the team. It's a big decision to make.
I personally would stick with Bairstow as keeper. Imo his keeping has been passable at an international level in the last year. He's a huge asset at 6/7 in the batting order. I'm also not convinced by Foakes.
Bairstow issue I can see both ways. Don't think it's clear whether he should be in the team as a bat or keeper. Not convinced he would make it as a batsman alone at 5. Then what kind of situation are you in? Do you bring him back as keeper? But it would be nice if you have a guy averaging 45+ at 5 where he impacts games more than 6/7.
Some of the difference between the likes of Sanga, De Villiers, Stewart and Bairstow is that Bairstow is not a reluctant keeper. He desperately wants to keep wicket.
Foakes is a better keeper, so is Ben Cox, so is Billings. There are better keepers in county cricket. But it hasn't been solely about being the best keeper for a while.
Hypothetically say Bairstow averages 45 long term from 5/6/7 for England, Foakes 30 from number 7/8, Foakes takes 1 more chance per two games. What is the better option?
I think you have to be as sure as you can be that Bairstow will succeed as a bat if your going to bring in another wicketkeeper. And you have to be sure that the keeper your bringing in is top notch also and is going to contribute massively to the team. It's a big decision to make.
I personally would stick with Bairstow as keeper. Imo his keeping has been passable at an international level in the last year. He's a huge asset at 6/7 in the batting order. I'm also not convinced by Foakes.
MW1304
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Bairstow was pretty good with the gloves throughout the winter, more than passable. If the question was somewhat up in the air beforehand, I don't think it should be any more. He wants to keep and he's been steadily improving, not to mention batting brilliantly all the while. Why change anything now?
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He is clearly improving with the gloves, whether he is improving fast enough to keep the gloves on a long term basis is up for debate but there isn't really a candidate out there at present demanding selection.
As for shorter versions well Buttler is the man for that job and if Bairstow plays it has to be as a bat but he is probably a reserve at present.
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theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Livingstone hasn't really cracked this white ball stuff yet this season. From what i've seen he's been a bit too frenetic.
Joe Root says he can be England's second spinner
Certainly the pressure ramping up on Ali. Champions Trophy a big tournament for him. Root with 2 and 3 wickets vs Ireland. Ali with one 2 wicket haul in the last 20 games (albeit against stronger opposition), rest of the games 0 or 1 wicket.
Bairstow putting pressure on although Morgan kind of made the point that batting wise the number 7 isn't facing a lot of deliveries generally and so he prefers a 6th bowler there at present. Bairstow more likely has to put pressure on Hales.
Livingstone another option at 7 after the CT. Could share the 6th bowler duties with Root. Very good fielder also iirc. Would probably be a better bat than Ali at 7 also.
Callum Taylor as substitute fielder with 4 catches (2+2) in last two Essex 50 over games. Something I'd be alerting the match officials before todays games if I was in the opposition.
Joe Root says he can be England's second spinner
Certainly the pressure ramping up on Ali. Champions Trophy a big tournament for him. Root with 2 and 3 wickets vs Ireland. Ali with one 2 wicket haul in the last 20 games (albeit against stronger opposition), rest of the games 0 or 1 wicket.
Bairstow putting pressure on although Morgan kind of made the point that batting wise the number 7 isn't facing a lot of deliveries generally and so he prefers a 6th bowler there at present. Bairstow more likely has to put pressure on Hales.
Livingstone another option at 7 after the CT. Could share the 6th bowler duties with Root. Very good fielder also iirc. Would probably be a better bat than Ali at 7 also.
Callum Taylor as substitute fielder with 4 catches (2+2) in last two Essex 50 over games. Something I'd be alerting the match officials before todays games if I was in the opposition.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
I don't think Billings has really had that extended chance at a set position that you'd like to give to an unproven player. However he's had a few good opportunities but hasn't quite done what he needed to really push his claims in a very competitive batting lineup.
SHould have really started the Bangladesh odis when Vince, Bairstow and Duckett were all preferred in front of him. Later in the winter Billings was ahead of all of them in selection terms so it's hard not to think that they got the Bangladesh team wrong.
Bairstow I'd imagine will be the backup bat for the Champions Trophy (even without his recent scores). He feels comfortable and confident at international level due to his test success. Billings is still looking for that. Coming in for potentially a high pressure game you want the guy who knows he belongs.
SHould have really started the Bangladesh odis when Vince, Bairstow and Duckett were all preferred in front of him. Later in the winter Billings was ahead of all of them in selection terms so it's hard not to think that they got the Bangladesh team wrong.
Bairstow I'd imagine will be the backup bat for the Champions Trophy (even without his recent scores). He feels comfortable and confident at international level due to his test success. Billings is still looking for that. Coming in for potentially a high pressure game you want the guy who knows he belongs.
Yeah it is a shame about Billings but you can have no arguments with Bairstow at all, interesting that he opened for Yorkshire, maybe could be a place for him in the long term.
Crane getting some real punishment early on today but still comes out with fairly respectable figures. Dawson steady as ever as well, got to be in contention for that Moeen spot, although his batting has not been as good as last year so far.
Crane getting some real punishment early on today but still comes out with fairly respectable figures. Dawson steady as ever as well, got to be in contention for that Moeen spot, although his batting has not been as good as last year so far.
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theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Jerome Taylor still looking pretty tasty. You could make a half decent champions trophy squad out of guys who are playing as domestic players in county cricket this year but can't play for England. Something like
Jayawardene
Villas
Rousouww
Ingram
Ackermann
Ten Doeschate
Van der Merwe
Wiese
Abbott
Jerome Taylor
Edwards
Rampaul
Harmer
Zaidi
Brendan Taylor
Jayawardene
Villas
Rousouww
Ingram
Ackermann
Ten Doeschate
Van der Merwe
Wiese
Abbott
Jerome Taylor
Edwards
Rampaul
Harmer
Zaidi
Brendan Taylor