*Official* Bangladesh in England

[Black_Warrior]

Send Ashra'fool' now

You are going to lose the match anyway
Either he will play some shots or get out..

 

[Scaly piscine]

I am not attacking Bresnan because I want to defend Anderson, I don't want him in the side because he will never be international class.

He does an Ok job with the bat but that is not nearly enough when his bowling is so inefective.

Because all-rounders are notorious for being at their best at 25. For an all-rounder and his age he has a decent record. He's not really good enough for Test cricket yet, but he does a good enough job in limited overs stuff. Whether or not he'll develop is impossible to say.

 

[Pothas]

Obviously I really have no idea but I am fairly confident that he won't.

It is not like he is 21 or something, he will be 26 by the time of the next world cup, most fast bowlers (which is what he has to be classed as given that he is opening the bowling) should be doing better than an average of close to 40 and an economy rate of over 5 by that stage.

 

[Scaly piscine]

An economy rate of 5 or so is fairly typical for bowlers who take the power plays and death overs.

 

[Langeveldt]

Probably when it's happened it tests as well as ODIs.

Can see it happening after about 5 more, and I hope it does.. Always hate a guy who just goes out and thrashes it with no concept of the game situation or tehnique succeeding.. Would rather see someone who appears to have a brain like Mushfiqur go on and make a name for himself..

 

[Pothas]

Would be acceptable if he got wickets, which he does not.

I am not against England sticking with guys who are relatively young and have potential, I just don't think that he has ever shown all that much potential in the first place.

At best he will be an average ODI cricketer.

 

[grecian]

Gotta love Ashraful

 

[King Pietersen]

Would be acceptable if he got wickets, which he does not.

I am not against England sticking with guys who are relatively young and have potential, I just don't think that he has ever shown all that much potential in the first place.

At best he will be an average ODI cricketer.

Agreed. The only side he's taken wickets against at a genuinely good rate, is Bangladesh. 7/560 in 12 games against Australia, 3/122 in 3 games against South Africa, 2/169 in 4 games against Sri Lanka and then 2/56 in 2 games against the West Indies. If you take out the wickets in games against Ireland and Scotland his average goes up to 44.52, with an economy of 5.22; taking Bangladesh from those figures pushes his average up to 64.78 and the economy up to 5.40. He's early in his career, so he could improve those figures, but I just don't see any reason for him to suddenly start picking heaps of wickets up. Moderate pace, no great movement, not particularly brilliant at the death, doesn't have great control and bowls too many boundary balls. It's going to take some serious improvement for him to get anywhere close to resembling a world class ODi bowler.

 

[African Monkey]

Ashraful is a deadset clown. It almost looked as if he deliberately tried to run Shakib out.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Agreed. The only side he's taken wickets against at a genuinely good rate, is Bangladesh. 7/560 in 12 games against Australia, 3/122 in 3 games against South Africa, 2/169 in 4 games against Sri Lanka and then 2/56 in 2 games against the West Indies. If you take out the wickets in games against Ireland and Scotland his average goes up to 44.52, with an economy of 5.22; taking Bangladesh from those figures pushes his average up to 64.78 and the economy up to 5.40. He's early in his career, so he could improve those figures, but I just don't see any reason for him to suddenly start picking heaps of wickets up. Moderate pace, no great movement, not particularly brilliant at the death, doesn't have great control and bowls too many boundary balls. It's going to take some serious improvement for him to get anywhere close to resembling a world class ODi bowler.

Except as mentioned before HE IS AN ALL-ROUNDER.

He's decent enough at the death, just not someone who should be taking the new ball. He's a 7-8 who can bowl most/all of his quota with some reliable overs and can bat properly as well. He can fulfil that role reasonably well, if he's needed.

 

[Pothas]

If he is to play that role (which he is not at the moment) then I don't see the point in him when you have Collingwood, Wright and even Yardy in the side.

England like Broad coming on first change, if they are to do that I don't see where he fits in.

 

[King Pietersen]

He's not a proper Flintoff-esque (in his prime) all-rounder though, he's not capable of batting in the top 6 and his ODi record only looks as good as it does because almost 50% of his innings have ended not out. If you're picking someone as part of the 5 man attack, I'd rather take Anderson, who although might not have the batting to his bow, is more likely to take wickets and bowl a side out. Whereas Bresnan has looked incapable of buying a wicket against the good sides, Anderson takes his wickets at 30.74 against the Test nations, that only goes up by .3 when you take Bangladesh out, and his economy is better than Bresnan's. You ideally want 5 bowlers in your side capable of bowling 10 overs relatively economically whilst taking wickets, Anderson does those things better than Bresnan. Just because Bresnan offers 10 runs more with the bat shouldn't be reason alone to pick him in the XI. He's effectively in the side for his bowling, and he's not doing the job.

Raveh picks up a wicket. Don't know how he does it, effectively bowls pie, but seems to be taking wickets, sure he's not complaining.

 

[Jarquis]

Mahmudullah only bowled 3 overs
Trott
Oh and lolKieswetter

 

[Goughy]

A very srong case can be made for why Bresnan shouldnt open the bowling. Its much harder to make a case to drop him when Wright is there. Bresnan is no star and Im not a fan but he is a better cricketer than Wright.

 

[King Pietersen]

I agree, but at this stage I wouldn't be picking either of them. After todays performance from Bopara I'd be happy to see us line-up with:

Strauss
Kieswetter
Trott/Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood
Morgan
Bopara
Swann
Broad
Shahzad
Anderson

More confident with the extra batsman and then Collingwood, Bopara and Trott sharing 10 overs than seeing Wright and Bresnan in the side, who offer very little with bat or ball.

Rav picks up his 2nd. Out-played Wright with bat and ball today.

 

[Jarquis]

lolling at Ravi

 

[S Chanderpaul]

Mahmudullah such a selfish batsman.

Not even looking for boundrys now and wasnt the other day in the powerplay.

 

[wpdavid]

Strauss has got so bored that he's unleashed Trott at the Bangladeshi batters.

Fully expecting Kieswetter to turn his arm before the end of this game.

 

[Furball]

How long does Tamim Iqbal have to go on not scoring runs and being a flash in the pan for people to consider him as such?

When he stops scoring runs in Tests. Has been an absolute gun in Tests for about a year now.

 

[Scaly piscine]

He's not a proper Flintoff-esque (in his prime) all-rounder though, he's not capable of batting in the top 6 and his ODi record only looks as good as it does because almost 50% of his innings have ended not out. If you're picking someone as part of the 5 man attack, I'd rather take Anderson, who although might not have the batting to his bow, is more likely to take wickets and bowl a side out. Whereas Bresnan has looked incapable of buying a wicket against the good sides, Anderson takes his wickets at 30.74 against the Test nations, that only goes up by .3 when you take Bangladesh out, and his economy is better than Bresnan's. You ideally want 5 bowlers in your side capable of bowling 10 overs relatively economically whilst taking wickets, Anderson does those things better than Bresnan. Just because Bresnan offers 10 runs more with the bat shouldn't be reason alone to pick him in the XI. He's effectively in the side for his bowling, and he's not doing the job.

Raveh picks up a wicket. Don't know how he does it, effectively bowls pie, but seems to be taking wickets, sure he's not complaining.

You're quoting Anderson figures which includes a period when he was actually a good ODI bowler, as well as years ago the run-rates were front-line seamers were lower. His recent stats tell a completely different story.