***Official*** Australian Domestic Thread 2012/13

[chaminda_00]

Just looking over some First Class records, how come Butterworth hasn't been considered for Test cricket? Got a pretty outstanding bowling record and a good batting average. Same question with James Faulkner.

Australian bowling attacks are based on how fast you bowl, not bowling records.

Faulkner not that far off ODI and T20I squads. If he scored more runs he would probably jump ahead of Dan Christian in the peaking order in Tests.

Though as soon as Mitch Marsh can put two good games together he will jump ahead of them all, purely on potential.

 

[Top_Cat]

Just say no to Butterworth and/or Falkner in a baggy green. Pedestrian swang.

And this match looks like being yet another example of why SA are cod ordinary as a Shield side; so many blow-ins, they're more likely to win or save a game away from AO!

 

[robelinda]

Phil Hughes caught at 3rd slip *again*, October 10 2012. - YouTube

 

[robelinda]

Usman Khawaja glorious 4 runs off James Pattinson - YouTube

 

[vic_orthdox]

Was going to say that Punter's stiff being shunted out to third slip for Tassie.

Then I realised it was the old "put your best fielder where the ball will go" tactic.

 

[Top_Cat]

Was going to say that Punter's stiff being shunted out to third slip for Tassie.

Then I realised it was the old "put your best fielder where the ball will go" tactic.

Wherever Ponting is, he's the best fielder. His grandkids are going to be the best catchers ever, can imagine him with a Katchet in the backyard still humming them in at 60. Man's a freak.

 

[Riggins]

Was going to say that Punter's stiff being shunted out to third slip for Tassie.

Then I realised it was the old "put your best fielder where the ball will go" tactic.

I watched the other tassie game and he was at third there aswell. Reckon it would just be him being perfectly comfortable literally anywhere, so give them mere mortals a chance wherever they think they're best.

 

[robelinda]

Ricky Ponting DROPPED by Phil Hughes in the slips. - YouTube

 

[morgieb]

Just looking over some First Class records, how come Butterworth hasn't been considered for Test cricket? Got a pretty outstanding bowling record and a good batting average. Same question with James Faulkner.

Not enough pace.

 

[robelinda]

Philander does ok with minimal pace.

 

[adub]

Philander does ok with minimal pace.

Clem Alderman wasn't the worst either, especially on Ashes tours. Would have loved to see what Butts or Copes might have done on the A tour.

 

[Top_Cat]

Both of those guys are more likely to significant seam movement, though. Early days especially, Alderman got huge swing and seam and was still a touch quicker than Falkner/Butters even post-shoulder injury.

 

[adub]

Both of those guys are more likely to significant seam movement, though. Early days especially, Alderman got huge swing and seam and was still a touch quicker than Falkner/Butters even post-shoulder injury.

True about Clem being a bigger swinger, although it was his stump to stump stuff that left Gooch a babbling mess in 89. Not sure about him being quicker though (at least not post shoulder). Not a huge amount in it I'd wager, but just going off memories of a long time ago more than anything.

On a completely different note though, well done P Siddy on your further development as a lower order bat. Great to see a bowler how puts a high price on his wicket and can chip in with handy runs.

 

[robelinda]

85* Ricky Ponting vs Sth Australia 2012 - YouTube

 

[brockley]

NSW Second XI leads by 213 runs
WA set for a run chase.

 

[Top_Cat]

SA following on, 6/103 in the 2nd dig. Conditions have been pretty rank in general, good for bowling in terms of swing but wouldn't be much fun to bowl in otherwise so they can't pin it on that. Awful cricket from SA.

Hughes Cordon Watch - 2nd slip. That's 4/4 in the cordon. Some relevant statistics;

- 50% of those catches were snaffled by Rick Ponting.
- 75% off bowlers who bowl lame seam-up meds
- 100% of Phil Hughes suddenly hearts Arrested Development.

Also, Cal Ferguson needs to give himself an uppercut for getting a start in both digs and not getting to or past 50.

 

[Ruckus]

why has he made a huge mistake? If he can't score runs for SA, then surely he can't scores runs for anyone.

 

[Top_Cat]

Without being privy to them, team dynamics. Playing for a team which sucks as hard as SA is likely wear on him. Especially since he has the added pressure of having to fight his way back into Test contention and basically being the only guy in the side likely to get anywhere near 800 runs this season. Anyway, I've said it before but, for mine, moving to SA was basically the exact opposite of what his Test career needed.

It's a different thing that if, for example, you're an incumbent Test bat and you just need a place to keep the miles in the legs when you're not playing for OZ.

 

[Ruckus]

that might be true, but I've always seen Hughes as someone who paves his own way more or less, and I'm not sure he'd be one to let the effects of a mediocre team wear down his own form. It really depends on how you look at it anyway - on one hand, yeah, they aren't a great side and there will be added pressure on him to recover the team from poor situations a lot of the time, but on the other hand it also means if he can embrace that role he'll really stand out a lot more than if he if was in one of the better sides.

I think a lot of this stuff is over-analysis anyway. The most important thing for his own confidence, and to impress the selectors, is that he needs to get lots of runs. Whether they come from playing for SA, or NSW or whatever, I'm not sure it matters a whole deal.

 

[Spikey]

South Australia,