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***Official*** Australian Domestic Season 2007/08

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Dawson can come to NSW and Smith can go anywhere. I always rated Dawson as cricketer, a bit surprised he never kicked on in Tasmania. I think making him and keep and open stuffed him up a bit. Even in ODs, you just look at how much better Haddin was as batsmen when he dropped down to 4/5. That extra bit of rest makes so much difference IMO.
Dawson would end up stuck behind Haddin anyway though so it wouldn't really be the best idea ever..
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Dawson would end up stuck behind Haddin anyway though so it wouldn't really be the best idea ever..
Was the reason why he moved to Tasmania in the first place, as NSW were keen to sign him up. But he felt he had more chance getting a 1st XI spot in Tasmania. I guess it depends on how many matches Haddin plays during the ODI series.

At Tasmania his basically 4th in line for gloves now. Manou and Dietz aren't as easy to jump ahead of some people think. Both have performaned fairly well over the years. It wasn't so long ago Manou was captaining SA. Dietz has been one SA better batsmen over the last couple seasons and solid with the gloves as well.

If Haddin gets a regular spot in ODI squad, NSW could be the best place for an up and coming keeper. As there isn't really any young keeper outside Smith coming through, that are half decent with the bat. Mail would be a good bet to keep if Smith got injuried right now TBH.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Was the reason why he moved to Tasmania in the first place, as NSW were keen to sign him up. But he felt he had more chance getting a 1st XI spot in Tasmania. I guess it depends on how many matches Haddin plays during the ODI series.

At Tasmania his basically 4th in line for gloves now. Manou and Dietz aren't as easy to jump ahead of some people think. Both have performaned fairly well over the years. It wasn't so long ago Manou was captaining SA. Dietz has been one SA better batsmen over the last couple seasons and solid with the gloves as well.

If Haddin gets a regular spot in ODI squad, NSW could be the best place for an up and coming keeper. As there isn't really any young keeper outside Smith coming through, that are half decent with the bat. Mail would be a good bet to keep if Smith got injuried right now TBH.
I'd rather Mail keep than Smith whether he was injured or not ITBT.

If Haddin gets a regular run with the Australian team, I can definitely see Dawson coming back home. I don't think he'd bother coming over to be behind the best keeper-batsman in the competition though. I don't think he's as far out of the reckoning at Tasmania as you seem to, either. Wade has left and Paine plays FC cricket as a specialist opener. If Dawson was playing well in Grade cricket down there and Clingeleffer got injured, it wouldnt shock me at all to see Dawson in the team.
 

sideshowtim

Banned
I'd rather Mail keep than Smith whether he was injured or not ITBT.

If Haddin gets a regular run with the Australian team, I can definitely see Dawson coming back home. I don't think he'd bother coming over to be behind the best keeper-batsman in the competition though. I don't think he's as far out of the reckoning at Tasmania as you seem to, either. Wade has left and Paine plays FC cricket as a specialist opener. If Dawson was playing well in Grade cricket down there and Clingeleffer got injured, it wouldnt shock me at all to see Dawson in the team.
Mail is terrible. Would be best that he never had anything to do with the first team again.

And as you guys say....It wouldn't be surprising to see a guy like Dawson move here. Heck, even Crosswaithe if Wade turns out to be some kind of revelation. Smith probably isn't a state level keeper-bat. Scratch that, he isn't even close.

Forrest on 17*. Hawkesbury boy, Bede Polding boy and an allround legend. Hope he tons up.
 

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Jaques certinaly doing no harm to his test chances today (y)

Given the fact that Wade broke a batting record of Pontings, it's enough to suggest to me that he's got a fair bit of talent with Willow in hand, I can't see Crosswaite (sp?) getting another chance anytime soon.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Hey Clapo what record did Wade brake from Ponting?

Phil Jaques will open I'm fairly certain...

Actually I think the test team barring injuries has 10 names penciled in.
Jaques, Hayden, Ponting, Hussey, Clarke, Symonds, Gilchrist, Lee, Johnson, Clark and _____ .
 

Gowza

U19 12th Man
i don't think jaques is quite penciled in yet because i think hussey opening is still an option on the table. hussey opening gives the selectors many more options than if he stays in the middle order because only jaques and rogers are in contention for the opening spot (watson and hodge shouldn't even be in the discussion when it comes to opening) whereas if mike hussey was to open then the options would not only include jaques (though doubtful) and rogers but there's also the option of watson, hodge, dave hussey, katich and maybe even a youngster like cosgrove (though imo not ready) if they're really keen to blood a young player.

however at this stage if hussey is to remain in the middle order then jaques should clearly be ahead of rogers for a test call up.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
I guess your right that Hussey might open, but I don't agree with the reasoning.

There is no way Jaques is going to bat middle order with Hussey opening., The same applies with Rogers.

Katich who is a good domestic player has no chance of being selected also, btw.
 
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sideshowtim

Banned
Yeah, Katich doesn't have a contract remember. Doesn't mean he can't get picked, but means he isn't in the selectors minds right now. Hasn't done anything to change that yet I'd say.

And this Jaques ton cofirms his spot opening for mine.Hussey is too good in the middle order anyway.
 

Gowza

U19 12th Man
i agree jaques batting in the middle order is very unlikely but if they really wanted him in the team and wanted hussey to open then it's possible (but again unlikely as there are better options), same with rogers. as for katich, as said although he doesn't have a contract it doesn't mean he can't get picked, if he puts the numbers up it's hard to tell how the selectors would go.david hussey doesn't have a contract either but for mine he's as good as any of the middle order batsmen in contention for selection atm.

also forgot to mention voges who'd be in with a chance if they were looking for a middle order bastmen, though imo he shouldn't be called up at least not in the near future.
 

Gowza

U19 12th Man
tbh the only reason i'd like to see mike hussey open is to see his brother in the middle order or if the new opener doesn't perform consistently enough.
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Dawson can come to NSW and Smith can go anywhere. I always rated Dawson as cricketer, a bit surprised he never kicked on in Tasmania. I think making him and keep and open stuffed him up a bit. Even in ODs, you just look at how much better Haddin was as batsmen when he dropped down to 4/5. That extra bit of rest makes so much difference IMO.
Personally, I think it was more that he was a stop-gap measure, as they want to promote their home grown talent. They've always had big wraps on Clingeleffer, who went through a bit of a rough trot for a while, and Paine was coming through and probably a bit young when Dawson got those games.
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
chaminda_00 said:
Manou and Dietz aren't as easy to jump ahead of some people think. Both have performaned fairly well over the years. It wasn't so long ago Manou was captaining SA. Dietz has been one SA better batsmen over the last couple seasons and solid with the gloves as well.
SA are in a pickle though. Manou is in their leadership group, yet he doesn't actually perform nearly as well as Deitz does with the bat. And Deitz is 34. Manou's not getting much younger either - from memory, he might be over 30 as well. They'll be on the lookout for another keeper at the end of the year. Their young option, Tim Davey, is a great gloveman but at this stage is a fair way away from being able to bat at 7 or 8 in a FC side.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
i agree jaques batting in the middle order is very unlikely but if they really wanted him in the team and wanted hussey to open then it's possible (but again unlikely as there are better options), same with rogers. as for katich, as said although he doesn't have a contract it doesn't mean he can't get picked, if he puts the numbers up it's hard to tell how the selectors would go.david hussey doesn't have a contract either but for mine he's as good as any of the middle order batsmen in contention for selection atm.

also forgot to mention voges who'd be in with a chance if they were looking for a middle order bastmen, though imo he shouldn't be called up at least not in the near future.
If Jaques and Hussey are picked in the same side I don't see the reasoning in Hussey opening and Jaques in the middle order. It makes no sense. If Hussey opens Jaques won't play. However, I do think Jaques has to perform if (as is most likely) he's selected, as the temptation could be to bring in Watson into the middle order for the 2nd test (if fit) and then Hussey could be moved to opener.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
SA are in a pickle though. Manou is in their leadership group, yet he doesn't actually perform nearly as well as Deitz does with the bat. And Deitz is 34. Manou's not getting much younger either - from memory, he might be over 30 as well. They'll be on the lookout for another keeper at the end of the year. Their young option, Tim Davey, is a great gloveman but at this stage is a fair way away from being able to bat at 7 or 8 in a FC side.
The way South Australia is going these days, if he can average about 25 he'll be a star..

Seriously South Australia are so disappointing. Bring back Ferguson too..

Does anyone know what's happened to Tom Plant?
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The way South Australia is going these days, if he can average about 25 he'll be a star..

Seriously South Australia are so disappointing. Bring back Ferguson too..

Does anyone know what's happened to Tom Plant?
Your average could be a decimal number and you could walk into the South Australian team at the moment.
 

Gowza

U19 12th Man
the reasoning might be to start jaques in the middle order to give him experience then move him up to the opening slot. plus look at hussey's career, he was a FC opener and has ended up as a middle order test batsman, it's possible the selectors could bring in an opener but drop them down the order. it would be unlikely, and probably not the best option but it's possible.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Your average could be a decimal number and you could walk into the South Australian team at the moment.
Haha yep.

Cullen Bailey should be dropped, I don't care if he has a Cricket Australia contract..

this would be my team

1 M. Elliott
2 D. Harris - does well opening, why is he at 5?
3 C. Borgas
4 M. Cosgrove
5 D. Lehmann
6 N Adcock
7 S Dietz
8 M Cleary
9 J Gillespie
10 R Harris
1! D Cullen

12 C Ferguson

As Lehmann is injured I would play Ferguson and whover was performing better out of Ferguson and Borgas would keep his spot when Boof returned.
 

Gowza

U19 12th Man
The way South Australia is going these days, if he can average about 25 he'll be a star..

Seriously South Australia are so disappointing. Bring back Ferguson too..

Does anyone know what's happened to Tom Plant?
i agree bring back ferguson, he was looking like a decent talent.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
the reasoning might be to start jaques in the middle order to give him experience then move him up to the opening slot. plus look at hussey's career, he was a FC opener and has ended up as a middle order test batsman, it's possible the selectors could bring in an opener but drop them down the order. it would be unlikely, and probably not the best option but it's possible.
Yes it's also possible that the selectors will pick Ryan Broad for the Australian team at the GABBA cause he has performed well there this season. It's probably not the best option, but it is possible..

Back to Hussey - some people fear moving him up to opening he won't be as good, although people should expect his average go down and not expect the runs to continue at the same rate wherever he bats. It just doesn't make much sense moving 2 players out of positions they feel comfortable in.
 

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