Gob
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Is that any different from a spinner replacing Hazlewood in the sub continent?
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*Official* Australia vs West Indies - Frank Worrell Trophy 2022
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Shady Slim
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Yeah this has been an ongoing saga. For some reason bowlers can be subbed out based on conditions but for batsmen, incumbency is everything.
Why the double standard.
Prince EWS
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I do think it's slightly different to that because it's not like it's a totally different style per se. Spin vs pace is different to "Head has sucked so far". It'd be more like Haze being left out in South Africa for Boland or Neser because his record is **** there.
They definitely do more of this with bowlers than batsmen and there's a double standard but I don't think it's quite the same as what you're saying.
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I don't agree at all. If you're leaving Haze out for a spinner it's because the conditions make the spinner more effective than Haze for that game, when he usually wouldn't be.
That's no different from theoretically leaving a batsman that is bad at playing spin or on spinning wickets, with a batsman that is better at it, because you think they will be more effective for that game. It's that simple, how is it any different?
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I mean Australia were quite happy to leave Starc out for Siddle in the 2019 Ashes despite Siddle clearly being the worse bowler due to perceived differences in how they bowl in England.
Prince EWS
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Yeah it does happen, and certainly more than for batsmen. I just don't think it's the same as changing the pace/spin balance.
ashley bach
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@Prince EWS Is this Travis Head fellow any good?
Prince EWS
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Better than Wade at least.
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I don't think I've seen bowling this toothless in Test cricket here since Bangladesh came in 2003
Even in 2000-01 when the Windies lost 5-0 they had Nixon McLean, Mervyn Dillon, Cameron Cuffy and a few other guys who were at least hitting 140kph, to back up Walsh. This is so tame.
Even in 2000-01 when the Windies lost 5-0 they had Nixon McLean, Mervyn Dillon, Cameron Cuffy and a few other guys who were at least hitting 140kph, to back up Walsh. This is so tame.
Starfighter
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This is the slowest attack I've seen here in my twelve years watching the game, even when you include Joseph.
Prince EWS
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The reserve keeper has come on to bowl (too late etc etc) and he's legitimately quicker than one of the openers.
Starfighter
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I mean, Holder's never been quick, usually high 120s, but he's way off the pace here. Thomas' first spell was faster.
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There have been a couple moments where the fielders should easily have been able to chase down/stop a ball and they just didn't seem to try. It's been very strange
Chubb
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Think he lives in Aus he was a pro in the VTCA for years.Omar Phillips currently the substitute fielder for West Indies.