*Official* Australia vs Pakistan in England

[Kylez]

Maybe you deliberately missed the after the Sydney comment just so you could gain brownie points by calling others names?

And I think Pak deserve to be rated higher than Australia.Not sure what your problem is with that.If you think that's ridiculous,that's your opinion.Maybe you expect everyone to dance to your tunes in a discussion forum but I don't see it that way

Pakistan should have beaten Australia a good many times now.That they havn't has been more to do with their own mental fragilities than Australia being more skilfull.Pakistan's bowling attack is much better than Australia's and with Ricky Ponting fading their batting isn't all that either.With Yousuf and Younis back you could make a case for Pakistan being a better side.

And about the tampering - it's always Australia who seem to have problems with bowlers.Funnily enough,it's always bowlers that they don't do well against.They did it to Ajmal in Abu Dhabi last year and now Amir.That is not a bait, it is a FACT.

Lol, Pakistan have beat us once in test matches in the last 15 years and if we are going on recent records then we have won 4 test matches to your single test win against us, enough said. Also you are forgetting that we didn't have Hauritz and Haddin available for this test series and that we beat South Africa in South Africa last year. We didn't play to our full potential either.

 

[Ikki]

And I think Pak deserve to be rated higher than Australia.Not sure what your problem is with that.If you think that's ridiculous,that's your opinion.Maybe you expect everyone to dance to your tunes in a discussion forum but I don't see it that way

 

[Avada Kedavra]

Lol, Pakistan have beat us once in test matches in the last 15 years and if we are going on recent records then we have won 4 test matches to your single test win against us, enough said. Also you are forgetting that we didn't have Hauritz and Haddin available for this test series and that we beat South Africa in South Africa last year. We didn't play to our full potential either.

Last time I checked we beat you 2-0 in 2008 and 2-1 earlier that year in your backyard winning at Perth

Paine is a better 'keeper and arguably more suited to test cricket than Haddin.And Haurtiz? Can't see him scoring a counterattacking 77 can you? As for his bowling :laugh

As for full potential,that's what Pakistan have rarely done against Australia.If Pakistan had played to full or even close to full potential,they would have beaten the Aussies more often than not.

 

[Hurricane]

Team of the series

1) Katich
2) Butt
3) Farhat
4) Ali
5) Clarke
6) Watson
7) Smith
8) Paine
9) Gul
10) Amir
11) Asif

Selected Smith as the spinner due to his batting. Otherwise it would have been North.
Watson in for bowling performance.

 

[Kylez]

Last time I checked we beat you 2-0 in 2008 and 2-1 earlier that year in your backyard winning at Perth

Paine is a better 'keeper and arguably more suited to test cricket than Haddin.And Haurtiz? Can't see him scoring a counterattacking 77 can you? As for his bowling :laugh

As for full potential,that's what Pakistan have rarely done against Australia.If Pakistan had played to full or even close to full potential,they would have beaten the Aussies more often than not.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about Pakistan here and they didn't beat us in 2008 so I don't know what your going on about.

Haddin's batting is better than Paine's and Hauritz scored a 50 I think against Pakistan so don't underate his batting. He also had two 5 - fers against Pakistan last test series.

I'm pretty sure Pakistan's bowling has been up to their full potential and their batting isn't that good so I don't agree with you there. Australia underperfomed this series and if they played better I think we should of won 2 - 0. Australia would comfortabely beat Pakistan 9 times out of 10 in test matches and that has showed in the last 15 years and in the rankings today.

 

[Spark]

Hauritz has blasted a few belligerent 40-odds recently, he's a decent bat.

EDIT: If he's actually trying to compare the two... one a now-and-again slogger, the other averaging over 50 in FC cricket and could very well earn his place in the team on batting alone in a few years.

 

[social]

What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about Pakistan here and they didn't beat us in 2008 so I don't know what your going on about.

Haddin's batting is better than Paine's and Hauritz scored a 50 I think against Pakistan so don't underate his batting. He also had two 5 - fers against Pakistan last test series.

I'm pretty sure Pakistan's bowling has been up to their full potential and their batting isn't that good so I don't agree with you there. Australia underperfomed this series and if they played better I think we should of won 2 - 0. Australia would comfortabely beat Pakistan 9 times out of 10 in test matches and that has showed in the last 15 years and in the rankings today.

Mate, he's an Indian supporter trying to divert attention away from his own team's dire performance in SL

 

[Black_Warrior]

Oh come on..no fighting please..lets get along with each other

 

[Kylez]

Mate, he's an Indian supporter trying to divert attention away from his own team's dire performance in SL

Oh, I thought he was a Pakistan supporter but I'm not suprised that he is actually an Indian supporter. He seems like a genuine troll with something against Australia.

 

[Noble One]

Congratulations to Pakistan, a fantastic series and a 1-1 result was fair.

Australia where poor for large periods of this series, but the weaknesses exposed are nothing new to this outfit.

The Australian top order remains terrible at playing the moving delivery. This isn't a weakness that will be easily overcome as the majority of Australian wickets all summer long are flat with even bounce. It has sadly been exposed on our last three tours to England. I don't believe we will ever overcome this issue in the short term, next time we tour England, we need to play 3-4 warm-up games at a minimum, and sadly this won't happen.

The Australian middle order still has the habit of collapsing in a heap, another issue that seems to have lingered since 2005. Marcus North surely has to go now, he wasn't the only culprit this series, but he doesn't have the proven track record like Hussey. The best solution is to move Watson to the middle-order and promote Hughes back into the line-up.

Mitch Johnson remains useless the vast majority of the time overseas, he really needs to have a big twelve months or the pressure will increase on him, especially with Siddle returning.

And Pontings captaincy, well it was pretty poor this series. This isn't a surprise; Ponting generally struggles in tight contests when one facet of the Australian game is not performing (batting or bowling).

Sadly like last year, I don't think this loss will change anything. If Marcus North remains though, well it would be the biggest load of selection BS since Cameron White was selected as a specialist spinner (and selection decisions don't come much worse than that).

 

[Neil Pickup]

This is one of those threads that is rapidly going to degenerate into complete nonsense, isn't it? There is so much from the last couple of matches that is worthy of praise, analysis, critique and intrigue that it is simply very, very sad that some individuals see the need to find provocation and conflict in every incident.

I cannot see any reason for what has been posted by Avada Kedavra, except to rile Australian fans, and as far as I am concerned, there is no place for that attitude on this forum. Do not bring other recent instances into it: nothing legitimises incitement. I do not want to read any complaint, comeback or repeat of posting of this nature. Expect consequences if you fail to take this on board.

 

[Neil Pickup]

This is one of those threads that is rapidly going to degenerate into complete nonsense, isn't it? There is so much from the last couple of matches that is worthy of praise, analysis, critique and intrigue that it is simply very, very sad that some individuals see the need to find provocation and conflict in every incident.

I cannot see any reason for what has been posted by Avada Kedavra, except to rile Australian fans, and as far as I am concerned, there is no place for that attitude on this forum. Do not bring other recent instances into it: nothing legitimises incitement. I do not want to read any complaint, comeback or repeat of posting of this nature. Expect consequences if you fail to take this on board.

 

[Stapel]

This is one of those threads that is rapidly going to degenerate into complete nonsense, isn't it? There is so much from the last couple of matches that is worthy of praise, analysis, critique and intrigue that it is simply very, very sad that some individuals see the need to find provocation and conflict in every incident.

I cannot see any reason for what has been posted by Avada Kedavra, except to rile Australian fans, and as far as I am concerned, there is no place for that attitude on this forum. Do not bring other recent instances into it: nothing legitimises incitement. I do not want to read any complaint, comeback or repeat of posting of this nature. Expect consequences if you fail to take this on board.

Though I think that Avada Kedavra's opinion is pretty far away from reality, I didn't really find it provocative. Fans, in all sports, like to exagerate their favourite's abilities.

 

[Spark]

Though I think that Avada Kedavra's opinion is pretty far away from reality, I didn't really find it provocative. Fans, in all sports, like to exagerate their favourite's abilities.

Yeah, found it very transparent myself. Was disappointed TBH, I expected better.

EDIT: Server issues? Seen a couple of double-posts.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Oh, I thought he was a Pakistan supporter but I'm not suprised that he is actually an Indian supporter. He seems like a genuine troll with something against Australia.

Its funny because I used to think Avada Kedavra is an Australian poster because one he argued with me vociferously about Ponting's superiority over Lara

Anyway..yeah he is quite enthusiastic but ultimately harm less...if you think he is trolling, just ignore him.

 

[Spark]

Its funny because I used to think Avada Kedavra is an Australian poster because one he argued with me vociferously about Ponting's superiority over Lara

Anyway..yeah he is quite enthusiastic but ultimately harm less...if you think he is trolling, just ignore him.

Fair enough.

Let's get back on topic

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Err... how did people find Butt's captaincy? Both on and off. Looked impressive off the field in the interview, classy and composed (I am overusing those words), but he has a bit to learn on it. Still. Brings a calmness and rationality to the team which is desperately required.

 

[G.I.Joe]

I'll just say I'm pretty sure Avada Kedavra is a front for another well known poster on the forums.

 

[Spark]

I'll just say I'm pretty sure Avada Kedavra is a front for another well known poster on the forums.

I at once know what you're talking about (browsing random threads and keeping a close eye on "forum culture") and don't know what you're talking about (not been here long enough to know... said member)

 

[BoyBrumby]

Watson needs to move down to 6

No, not for me. He's a top 4 batsman or he's nothing. I don't think it's coincidence he's looked a much better bat opening than he did in the middle order. He needs time to construct an innings and he'll never be as good as Hussey is at rotating the strike and protecting the tail.

If Hughes comes back I'd ideally moved Watson to three, however I can't imagine Ponting's ego wearing that, so 4 might be the best option. Again assuming Clarke could stand the demotion.

That said I'd still retain North for India as his not-awful offies could be useful over there.

Shipped out on the same boat as Chris Rogers and Andrew Symonds, the S.S. We Dont Like Your Personality

Think Symonds was marooned on Confirmed Pisspot island, myself.

Yep. Didn't do a whole lot else but didn't really have much chance to do a whole lot else. Why Symonds was picked over him escapes me.

Even if we ignore Hodge's personality (and I've never heard a sportsman push his own cart quite so hard in public, so I don't think it'd be too big a leap to imagine he's insufferable in the dressing room), when Symonds was picked initially it was just after the 2005 Ashes and the Oz selectors had a serious case of Freddie-envy. As (IIRC) Watson was injured, Symonds was as close to an all-rounder as you had back then.

how did people find Butt's captaincy? Both on and off. Looked impressive off the field in the interview, classy and composed (I am overusing those words), but he has a bit to learn on it. Still. Brings a calmness and rationality to the team which is desperately required.

I don't want to be too much of a curmudgeon as he's a young bloke captaining in his first test after taking over in trying circumstances and he actually won, but I wasn't massively impressed, tbh. Looked lost when Smith was counter-attacking and set some rather bizarre fields.

Stating the obvious as it may be, but his bowlers won him the test. Most of the dismissals were bowled, LBW or caught by the keeper which one doesn't usually ascribe to the captain's tactical acumen.

Spoke well tho.

 

[Avada Kedavra]

What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about Pakistan here and they didn't beat us in 2008 so I don't know what your going on about.

Haddin's batting is better than Paine's and Hauritz scored a 50 I think against Pakistan so don't underate his batting. He also had two 5 - fers against Pakistan last test series.

I'm pretty sure Pakistan's bowling has been up to their full potential and their batting isn't that good so I don't agree with you there. Australia underperfomed this series and if they played better I think we should of won 2 - 0. Australia would comfortabely beat Pakistan 9 times out of 10 in test matches and that has showed in the last 15 years and in the rankings today.

If you are going to bring averages and stats into this, Haddin averages 14 against Pak,how much did they miss him?Paine is a better 'keeper and a decent bat.North got a 5 for against Pak as well...if you really are arguing that Hauritz is the reason Aus couldn't win the series then there is nothing I can say to change that.


As for me being a troll or whatever - I share a common computer where I stay.My roommates once decided that it would be funny to post drivel about Pak and think they voted multiple times in some stupid poll for which I got banned for a week! If I'm trolling because I'm stating my honest opinion about how all bowlers who do well against Aussies are alleged of chucking/tampering generally so be it.If I am trolling because I point out that Pak didn't have their best side and that they got a lot of harsh decisions so be it.

When you talk about Pakistan's recent record you forget that they aren't able to play at home and that makes a big difference.Given how stellar their home record is,I would expect Pakistan to more than hold their own there.Aus' away record has been shoddy of late.I love how posters like Social desperately discredit the rankings given who's at the top but cling to yet when it comes to an Aus vs Pak argument