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*Official* Australia tour of New Zealand Feb-Mar 2024

Skyliner

State Captain
GP did the job, and would have done it better if the fielders held their catches, so what point of difference would Santer have offered? A virtuoso spin performance along the lines of Warne or Murali at their brilliant best?
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
NZ bowling stats under Southee's captaincy:

Henry, 33 wickets @ 23.78
Southee, 31 wickets @ 35.06
M Bracewell, 19 wickets @ 37.78
Ajaz, 19 @ 34.52
Phillips, 16 @ 16.00
Sodhi, 16 @ 29.5
Wagner, 14 @ 42.64
Santner, 12 @ 17.41
Tickner, 12 @ 36.25
O'Rourke, 11 @ 17.36
Jamieson, 8 @ 22.25
Ravindra, 7 @ 20.42
Kuggleijn, 6 @ 42.33
D Bracewell, 2 @ 38.5
Mitchell, 1 @ 166

For all our justified doom and gloom, the spin stocks are actually pretty healthy.
 
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Skyliner

State Captain
NZ bowling stats under Southee's captaincy:

Henry, 33 wickets @ 23.78
Southee, 31 wickets @ 35.06
M Bracewell, 19 wickets @ 37.78
Ajaz, 19 @ 34.52
Sodhi, 16 @ 29.5
Wagner, 14 @ 42.64
Santner, 12 @ 17.41
Tickner, 12 @ 36.25
O'Rourke, 11 @ 17.36
Jamieson, 8 @ 22.25
Ravindra, 7 @ 20.42
Kuggleijn, 6 @ 42.33
D Bracewell, 2 @ 38.5
Mitchell, 1 @ 166

For all our justified doom and gloom, the spin stocks are actually pretty healthy.
GP?
 

jcas0167

International Regular
NZ bowling stats under Southee's captaincy:

Henry, 33 wickets @ 23.78
Southee, 31 wickets @ 35.06
M Bracewell, 19 wickets @ 37.78
Ajaz, 19 @ 34.52
Sodhi, 16 @ 29.5
Wagner, 14 @ 42.64
Santner, 12 @ 17.41
Tickner, 12 @ 36.25
O'Rourke, 11 @ 17.36
Jamieson, 8 @ 22.25
Ravindra, 7 @ 20.42
Kuggleijn, 6 @ 42.33
D Bracewell, 2 @ 38.5
Mitchell, 1 @ 166

For all our justified doom and gloom, the spin stocks are actually pretty healthy.
What's the story behind Henry's improvement in tests? Is it just getting new ball opportunities.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Australia probably wouldn't have read it that way either, they just back their spinner and always select em.

4 specialist seamers seems overkill at the best of times. If you can't achieve what you need with your 3 best seamers, how is a 4th going to make a difference. (West Indies not withstanding)
4 seamers kinda made sense when NZ had Wagner to balance the attack. Hasn't made sense since early 2022 at the very latest.
 

TheJediBrah

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I think it's time to drop Tom and Tim and move forward. Give the captaincy to Rachin as well ala Greame Smith
Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think a bloke that threw his wicket away twice in a game hitting short and wide balls in the air straight to point is captaincy material
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Yeah that's a bit too much of a load to put on a young bloke who is clearly still learning the ins and outs of Test cricket. Characters like Graeme Smith are vanishingly rare.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Doubt he'll do anything radical like get Ravindra to open
I don't know if I'm the only one, but I don't want this to happen. Potentially ever. I feel like he's far too precious as a 4, long term. That might change but I think with the way he's playing right now, we'd be weakening him and our overall stocks by making him open. I don't think his tightness on and around off stump is anywhere near efficient enough.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
What's the story behind Henry's improvement in tests? Is it just getting new ball opportunities.
No doubt the new ball helped and being seen as the spearhead...but maturity was a big part of Henry's improvement, as well. When he got the new ball post-Boult, he had finally matured as a bowler and started to work as hard as an international player should. His attitude wasn't there for years. He idolised Southee and his laidback approach, and it did nothing for Henry's talent for a long time.

It would be easy to say the new ball (and again no doubt that helped) but to me it was more that around this time he realised he needed to work harder, to be the guy, or no one else would be. Look at his numbers first change - they are horrible. Averages about 80 when not bowling with the new ball, 27 with it. That can't all be explained away by the few overs difference between the lacquer on a ball. He needed to step up and when Boult was starting to go, he finally did.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Nz needs a solid counter attacking opener like Mark Richardson. What player he was. Very good
We could do a lot worse than a guy who averaged 44 and averaged around 113 balls an innings, and put a hugely hefty price on his wicket. A guy who knew his game inside out, had a game plan, and stuck to it with grit. You're absolutely right. And it's actually not inconceivable that someone could do it if they're prepared to sacrifice T20 and if NZC support them correctly.
 

anonymouskefe

U19 Debutant
We could do a lot worse than a guy who averaged 44 and averaged around 113 balls an innings, and put a hugely hefty price on his wicket. A guy who knew his game inside out, had a game plan, and stuck to it with grit. You're absolutely right. And it's actually not inconceivable that someone could do it if they're prepared to sacrifice T20 and if NZC support them correctly.
and more importantly scored runs against the big teams (not so much aus)
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
I didn't think he had any captaincy experience, but I see he was entrusted with leading the NZ XI in 2020. Santner could be another option given they are using him to captain the T20 side now.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...teady-new-zealand-xi/articleshow/74111469.cms
I was gonna say santner but I don't know if his spot is guaranteed at home. Nz decks don't offer a ton for the spinners usually (this summer aside), and with Phillips and rachin in the top 7 the selectors seem more confident in 4 frontline pacers.
 

Burgey

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Call me old-fashioned, but I don't think a bloke that threw his wicket away twice in a game hitting short and wide balls in the air straight to point is captaincy material
I actually think that wider line to him was something deliberate tbh. The way he throws his hands away from his body in that wristy sort of way makes him a bit susceptible to slicing wider balls in the air. I think it's something he can easily work out, and tbh he'll probably score a lot of runs playing that way anyway. Swings and roundabouts I guess.
 

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