***Official*** Australia in South Africa + South Africa in Australia 2016/17

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CA rejected Burgey's application for selector and instead pursued a youth policy in the form of 68 yo Greg Chappell and 62 yo Trevor Hohns

 

[adub]

Regarding also young batsmen who are in the frame of selection, who was the last young batsmen who wasn't Smith or one of the regulars to have a really outstanding shield season with a Katich-esque average with at least more than a middling amount of runs?

Ryan Carters in 13/14 would be the last young bat to score over 800 at over 50.

Bancroft (896 @47) and Burns (793 @53) went close enough in 14/15

and Dean (807 @45) and Patterson (737 @52.6) were the closest last year.

 

[Spikey]

CA rejected Burgey's application for selector and instead pursued a youth policy in the form of 68 yo Greg Chappell and 62 yo Trevor Hohns

love 2 travel back in time

 

[mackembhoy]

Potentially picking smoggies it must have got bad for you lot.

You do realise Renshaw has like 7 toes on each foot and an extra head.

 

[adub]

A little stat from last season's shield that I think is telling (mostly because it supports my argument that KPat should be the next to deb00)

Balls faced per completed innings Sheffield Shield 15/16 (min 1000 balls faced)

Cosgrove 50.8
Ross 58.7
Doolan 67.0
Heazlett 71.9
Stoinis 74.1
Handscomb 77.0
Cowan 78.4
Carters 80.9
Dunk 84.2
Klinger 85.7
Dean 90.6
Bailey 91.5
Hartley 92.5
Renshaw 106.0
Bancroft 108.3
Patterson 125.3

 

[Burgey]

Jeez, Alex Doolan was cast aside quickly wasn't he? Hasn't done that much in Shield since, mind you.

 

[Starfighter]

More or less played as filler while Watto was off being injured again. His first class average has gone down quite a bit since then.

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

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All Greg's fault.

 

[the big bambino]

Ah, I remember when Aus used to pound us regularly and we also used to complain about cheating or the umpiring never going our way.

Just bcos you were wrong doesn't mean we are.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Australia doesn't do it. That's why we're crap. Nothing to do with terrible batting.

England won the greatest series in its history by ball tampering, the 2005 Ashes. Coldest, most miserable, most verdant conditions in the world and the ball reverses 12 overs into an innings. Spare me. They stilldo it, which is why they've won their home Ashes series since.

Pakistan invented the art of peeling an orange with a bottle top with one hand. The original ball tamperers and still hard at it. That's why we lost in UAE recently.

India have long done it, as evidenced by the Tendulkar footage. That's why he's so revered there. It's why we can't win in India.

Faf is but the latest in a long line of Saffer tamperers. Explains their past three series wins here. It's why they can't win ODI WCs - two balls are harder to effectively tamper than one.

SL has.plainly got with the program recently too. We thought our blokes were missing straight balls in the recent series, but they were actually swerving really, really late.

We don't do it, NZ doesn't do it. I've yet to see the Bangers partake, nor the Zimbobs. The Windies have tried it but the Board can't agree on the correct method.

Nothing wrong with Australian cricket. We've been robbed.

And, contrary to what OS claimed, South Africa are not the only team to have been caught on camera

Thanks to good old Robelinda who managed to record and escape with his life after BCCI and Star Sports destroyed all footage

 

[OverratedSanity]

Obviously we're talking about current teams. Everyone obviously tampers and every team has been caught on camera doing it at some point or another. But this current south african team has been caught on camera 3 times now and others haven't. du Plessis and Philander have done it before. No one is denying that Dravid and Tendulkar did it a decade ago. This is so ****ing stupid.

 

[Burgey]

Blatant cheating. St Sachin couldn't hear the warnings given about ball tampering, obviously.

Fmd who marches in the street over an incident in a cricket match? Perspective, people*.





*says the bloke with 47,000 plus posts on a cricket forum.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Obviously we're talking about current teams. Everyone obviously tampers and every team has been caught on camera doing it at some point or another. But this current south african team has been caught on camera 3 times now and others haven't. du Plessis and Philander have done it before. No one is denying that Dravid and Tendulkar did it a decade ago. This is so ****ing stupid.

And I am arguing the point that being caught on camera or not is irrelevant..whether 3 times or not because the one time a team was penalised and officially reprimanded of ball tampering, there was no video evidence. So obviously the Umpires and the referee and ICC have other means of finding evidence of ball tampering and charging teams.

When England started reversing the ball around the 30th over on Day 5 during the third test when there was not even a hint of such movement during the entire match, no one obviously raised an eyebrow. When another team was doing the same thing in 1992, we all know how that went. And there was no video evidence in either case.

So either we acknowledge that video footage is irrelevant or we accept that we are hypocrites and we selectively apply these standards as we please..so when it suits us we will use the 'video evidence' argument and when there is none, we will still charge teams saying video evidence is not required.

 

[Burgey]

And I am arguing the point that being caught on camera or not is irrelevant..whether 3 times or not because the one time a team was penalised and officially reprimanded of ball tampering, there was no video evidence. So obviously the Umpires and the referee and ICC have other means of finding evidence of ball tampering and charging teams.

When England started reversing the ball around the 30th over on Day 5 during the third test when there was not even a hint of such movement during the entire match, no one obviously raised an eyebrow. When another team was doing the same thing in 1992, we all know how that went. And there was no video evidence in either case.

So either we acknowledge that video footage is irrelevant or we accept that we are hypocrites and we selectively apply these standards as we please..so when it suits us we will use the 'video evidence' argument and when there is none, we will still charge teams saying video evidence is not required.

No one really knew much about reverse swing back then though. You need to take that into account. plus, plenty of blokes who played with Imran at NSW say his greatest legacy to the State apart from filling in half the women in Sydney at his apartment in the Connaught was teaching blokes how scour the ball without getting caught.

Fortunately no one from NSW engaged in such practices because we play fair here.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Obviously we're talking about current teams. Everyone obviously tampers and every team has been caught on camera doing it at some point or another. But this current south african team has been caught on camera 3 times now and others haven't. du Plessis and Philander have done it before. No one is denying that Dravid and Tendulkar did it a decade ago. This is so ****ing stupid.

have Australia?

 

[Burgey]

have Australia?

No. No they have not. Though it's rapidly approaching the time when they will have to

 

[Prince EWS]

There was this incident:

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Not really as conclusive as the other crap we're talking about though.

 

[Burgey]

Sri Lankan touring team in having a massive whinge shocker.

 

[Starfighter]

And I am arguing the point that being caught on camera or not is irrelevant..whether 3 times or not because the one time a team was penalised and officially reprimanded of ball tampering, there was no video evidence. So obviously the Umpires and the referee and ICC have other means of finding evidence of ball tampering and charging teams.

When England started reversing the ball around the 30th over on Day 5 during the third test when there was not even a hint of such movement during the entire match, no one obviously raised an eyebrow. When another team was doing the same thing in 1992, we all know how that went. And there was no video evidence in either case.

So either we acknowledge that video footage is irrelevant or we accept that we are hypocrites and we selectively apply these standards as we please..so when it suits us we will use the 'video evidence' argument and when there is none, we will still charge teams saying video evidence is not required.

I don't know if the footage is from said day in said test, but said team in 1992 were definitely filmed doing it.

Your argument makes no sense anyway. There needs to be enough evidence to charge a team or individuals with ball tampering, and if it takes video evidence then so be it. If the umpires or match officials feel the evidence is strong enough without video evidence, then the same.

 

[Crazy Sam]

FMD they've gone for Cracker Hohns for the rest of the summer in Marsh's place. Bet that Sutherland bloke didn't even read my application.

You would've had a lock on it had you mentioned you are Peter Burge's son. Only allowed a position in Cricket Australia if you've played or are related to a test player.