***Official*** Australia in South Africa 2018

[srbhkshk]

Haha it really is pretty pathetic that many Indian fans just jump at the first opportunity to jump into a debate and try to justify why India is still no.1 despite showing virtually zero interest in the series that has just concluded.

IDK if you are talking in general terms, but specifically in this thread, there is a total of one guy who is trying anything of that sort. What I find pathetic is how people (including Indians) just jump on this bandwagon of "insecure Indian Fans hahaha ..." regardless of what's actually happening.

 

[OverratedSanity]

IDK if you are talking in general terms, but specifically in this thread, there is a total of one guy who is trying anything of that sort. What I find pathetic is how people (including Indians) just jump on this bandwagon of "insecure Indian Fans hahaha ..." regardless of what's actually happening.

That is what's happening in this thread though.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Zero 100 run partnerships for Australia this whole series. That's pretty ****ing woeful. Especially on pitches that weren't overly difficult to bat on.

 

[Borges]

how people (including Indians) just jump on this bandwagon of "insecure Indian Fans hahaha ..." regardless of what's actually happening.

That is also an integral part of Sydney. Sydney is the centre of the universe: no matter in what direction we set out, we eventually end up in Sydney.

 

[kykweer.proteas]

Got hammered 3 zip in India in 2015 and beaten convincingly by a fairly moderate England outfit in 2017.
Even the 1-0 series win in NZ last year really would have been 1-1 had it not been for rain.

I'm not sure this SA team is as good as the one that went unbeaten away from 2006-15.
No Smith, no Kallis, Amla and Faf fading, De Villiers also well over 30 now.

That's why I say let's reserve judgement on SA until the SL tour. They played well this home summer but I also think the rub of the green went with them - they won the toss in the first two tests against India which I think was beneficial as it meant their weaker suite, the batting was dealt an easier hand. PLus I think its quite obvious that Australia fell apart due to sandpaper.

Reserve judgement on what?

It is pretty rich to complain about the toss, when india won the toss four times in a row in India making South Africa bat the fourth innings on dust bowls.

 

[srbhkshk]

That is what's happening in this thread though.

As I said, there's a total of ONE guy (Motorwada if you want to be specific) who is arguing over it, all other discussions and post are pretty much general in nature and not of "We are still #1, SA suck... " category.

 

[Spark]

Yeah this really is just Motorwada, who has form in this regard.

 

[S.Kennedy]

South Africa for me, but India second. SA just do not seem to have any major problems and I'd bet their chances to pick up the odd away series more.

Australia are in complete political-cricketing free fall (god knows what ''Australia'' will emerge?) and England seem to be doing their best impression of the Atherton era right now. I wouldn't argue too greatly about slotting New Zealand ahead of those two right now to be honest.

Irrespective, the gap between SA/India on the one hand and Australia/Eng on the other has now become a chasm.

South Africa in England? I think we should all resign ourselves to the biggies getting thumped away occasionally.

 

[StephenZA]

Yeah this really is just Motorwada, who has form in this regard.

Some of the SA posters got trolled into reactions though...... poor judgement outside the off stump.

 

[kykweer.proteas]

Some of the SA posters got trolled into reactions though...... poor judgement outside the off stump.

I honestly dont feel like working

 

[kykweer.proteas]

Thunder clouds busy approaching in JHB btw.

 

[Heboric]

South Africa for me, but India second. SA just do not seem to have any major problems and I'd bet their chances to pick up the odd away series more.

Australia are in complete political-cricketing free fall (god knows what ''Australia'' will emerge?) and England seem to be doing their best impression of the Atherton era right now. I wouldn't argue too greatly about slotting New Zealand ahead of those two right now to be honest.

Irrespective, the gap between SA/India on the one hand and Australia/Eng on the other has now become a chasm.

South Africa in England? I think we should all resign ourselves to the biggies getting thumped away occasionally.

My money is on England winning against India later this year. It wont be an X - 0 to England scoreline. But they are playing at home which will give them the edge

 

[Motorwada]

Reserve judgement on what?

It is pretty rich to complain about the toss, when india won the toss four times in a row in India making South Africa bat the fourth innings on dust bowls.

That would actually make sense if not for the fact that SA's batting in the 2nd innings were way worse than what India did in the 3rd innings. And SA batted first in Bangalore and collapsed there too while India went to 80/0 or something. So the fact that SA were ambushed by batting 4th is a revisionist insecure statement.

 

[kykweer.proteas]

That would actually make sense if not for the fact that SA's batting in the 2nd innings were way worse than what India did in the 3rd innings. And SA batted first in Bangalore and collapsed there too while India went to 80/0 or something. So the fact that SA were ambushed by batting 4th is a revisionist insecure statement.

We lost comfotably, no use blaming the toss.

 

[Motorwada]

South Africa for me, but India second. SA just do not seem to have any major problems and I'd bet their chances to pick up the odd away series more.

Australia are in complete political-cricketing free fall (god knows what ''Australia'' will emerge?) and England seem to be doing their best impression of the Atherton era right now. I wouldn't argue too greatly about slotting New Zealand ahead of those two right now to be honest.

Irrespective, the gap between SA/India on the one hand and Australia/Eng on the other has now become a chasm.

South Africa in England? I think we should all resign ourselves to the biggies getting thumped away occasionally.

Batting against spin in conditions that aid spin (Ind 2015 tour)
Batting against pace in conditions that aid swing/seam (Eng 2017 tour/2018 home series against Ind)
Spinners (Maharaj did poorly against India a team that can play spin plus you need two for the SC)

 

[Salamuddin]

Reserve judgement on what?

It is pretty rich to complain about the toss, when india won the toss four times in a row in India making South Africa bat the fourth innings on dust bowls.

Not complaining. You win tosses sometimes and sometimes you don't. A truly top team needs to be able to play well regardless of whether they lose the toss or not. SA should never have been beaten 3-0 in India in 2015 (even withstanding the toss losses) considering their reputation since 2006 as a team that plays well away. Most likely would have been 4-0 had it not been for rain.

Given those heavy losses in India and England, SA really need to show a result in SL. Otherwise all they've done is win at home which is what pretty much every other team does.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Batting against spin in conditions that aid spin (Ind 2015 tour)
Batting against pace in conditions that aid swing/seam (Eng 2017 tour/2018 home series against Ind)
Spinners (Maharaj did poorly against India a team that can play spin plus you need two for the SC)

Still South Africa I'm afraid.

 

[kykweer.proteas]

Not complaining. You win tosses sometimes and sometimes you don't. A truly top team needs to be able to play well regardless of whether they lose the toss or not. SA should never have been beaten 3-0 in India in 2015 (even withstanding the toss losses) considering their reputation since 2006 as a team that plays well away. Most likely would have been 4-0 had it not been for rain.

Given those heavy losses in India and England, SA really need to show a result in SL. Otherwise all they've done is win at home which is what pretty much every other team does.

Then what happens if south africa draw or win in sri lanka?

 

[SeamUp]

Not complaining. You win tosses sometimes and sometimes you don't. A truly top team needs to be able to play well regardless of whether they lose the toss or not. SA should never have been beaten 3-0 in India in 2015 (even withstanding the toss losses) considering their reputation since 2006 as a team that plays well away. Most likely would have been 4-0 had it not been for rain.

Given those heavy losses in India and England, SA really need to show a result in SL. Otherwise all they've done is win at home which is what pretty much every other team does.

But we still have series wins in Sri Lanka, New Zealand, Windies and Australia under our belts. Draws in UAE and Bangladesh. Still better than most with enough variety.

I do agree though. If we win in Sri Lanka it is just another step in this teams potential. This winter is massive for SA cricket under the radar. We have a spin camp to India (no Harmer but we still have Piedt, von Berg, Shamsi, Linde, Fortuin, Muthusamy and Dawood as good mix of spinners growing their craft to push for the position to support Keshav) and then there is the Sri Lanka and India A tours which will be the preparation for the India tour in 2019.

 

[kykweer.proteas]

But we still have series wins in Sri Lanka, New Zealand, Windies and Australia under our belts. Draws in UAE and Bangladesh. Still better than most with enough variety.

I do agree though. If we win in Sri Lanka it is just another step in this teams potential. This winter is massive for SA cricket under the radar. We have a spin camp to India (no Harmer but we still have Piedt, von Berg, Shamsi, Linde, Fortuin, Muthusamy and Dawood as good mix of spinners growing their craft to push for the position to support Keshav) and then there is the Sri Lanka and India A tours which will be the preparation for the India tour in 2019.

And Pakistan