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***Official*** Australia in South Africa 2013/14

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hendrix said:
Disagree with this, tbh.

Even when there's no movement I thought he did a better version of Siddle than Siddle in the Ashes. Just great areas the whole time.
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The only truly flat deck, to my mind, was Adelaide and he was comfortably out-bowled by Siddle, a neat microcosm of his record for SA where he only comes into it late in the game and the deck is playing up-and-down. Even then he won't dominate because he doesn't really reverse it.

A bloke like Harris will always give you stock value no matter the deck, that's a given. But someone else needs to be tearing in at the other end for the team to win because Harris isn't going to extract the last vestige of juice out of a flat deck in the manner of, say, Jason Gillespie. That (and injury) goes a long way to explaining why he was in-and-out of the side here.
 
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benchmark00 said:
Errrrrrrrrghhhhhh. This is just so wrong it's not funny. You've just spat out (incorrect) cliches without having any research behind you i.e. followed Australian domestic cricket.
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Wouldn't be a post-Australian loss without people calling for "hasn't played Australian FC cricket in ages" Katich and "got dropped from Victoria not too long ago" Dussey.

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oh hey this dickhead is back

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it's almost as if it's actually hard to win every single match of cricket that you play against a quality team in their home conditions
 
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benchmark00 said:
Man, this is just a lack of understanding of what wins (and loses) games of cricket.

Scoring a hundred on a flat deck does not win you games of cricket. Bowling well on a flat deck does.

Bowling well on a green juciy wicket does not win you test matches. Batting well on a green juicy wicket does.

Sometimes they over lap, but as a general rule that's what applies.
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A lot of test cricket is played on flat decks though, those games still need to be won, and you particularly need big runs in order to win them
 
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Maximas said:
A lot of test cricket is played on flat decks though, those games still need to be won, and you particularly need big runs in order to win them
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I think the point is that scoring a hundred on a flat deck is basically a given, so it doesn't actually do that much to put you ahead of the game because in all likelihood a bunch of people from both sides will do it. On a greentop, however, a hundred is priceless exactly because it's unlikely to be replicated by anyone else.
 
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Spark said:
Wouldn't be a post-Australian loss without people calling for "hasn't played Australian FC cricket in ages" Katich and "got dropped from Victoria not too long ago" Dussey.



it's almost as if it's actually hard to win every single match of cricket that you play against a quality team in their home conditions
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"Too often in recent times the Australians have been guilty of whingeing when things haven't gone their way. Over the last 12 months we've heard about pitches in India and England being doctored to suit the locals, about DRS decisions that have cruelled us, and about Stuart Broad not walking. Before this Test all the talk was about how the curator was going to dupe the Aussies."

That's true tbh, but I think it was more fans and media than the actual team.
 
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In a cricketweb first, I agree with Benchy in relation to the Australian batting lineup for the 3rd test

Fact is that both Doolan and Marsh performed brilliantly in the first test and if we were to punt everyone that performed poorly in the 2nd test then we'd have to fly about 6 replacements in as there wouldn't be enough cover in the squad

Sink or swim rather than knee-jerk is the way to go for mine
 
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Spark said:
I think the point is that scoring a hundred on a flat deck is basically a given, so it doesn't actually do that much to put you ahead of the game because in all likelihood a bunch of people from both sides will do it. On a greentop, however, a hundred is priceless exactly because it's unlikely to be replicated by anyone else.
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Would certainly agree with that (re:hundreds on greentops win more matches), but you can't keep harking back to hundreds on greentops when guys keep losing us test matches on flat decks.
 
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