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Howsie

International Captain
certinally not argueing that i want to see McCullum play as a specialist bat - to say he has to score 100's to make the NZ batting lineup is laughable.

Who scored our last ODI century?
One 100 in 160 odd games isn't good enough, and yes I know he's batted in the lower order for the most part of his career but point is, quick 40-70's when you get in isn't good enough for a batsmen, he'll have to go on a lot more then he has.
 

Halfpast_Yellow

U19 Vice-Captain
One 100 in 160 odd games isn't good enough, and yes I know he's batted in the lower order for the most part of his career but point is, quick 40-70's when you get in isn't good enough for a batsmen, he'll have to go on a lot more then he has.

I tend to agree with this, players like Guptill, How, Taylor have all scored centuries at the top 3 for us in ODIs, and Styris and Elliot have made them from 4 and 5. When you're setting a total in an ODI, someone who can bat through for a century massively helps your chances of setting a winning total.

I don't count McCullum's 100+ performance vs Ireland, he is more valuable batting down the order, utilising the powerplay, and keeping his wicketkeeping duties.

A quick 50 and adding wicket-keeping value to the side is fine. A sole batsman not being able to convert scores at the top of the order, is not fine, especially now there is a powerplay the batting side can opt to take. Let's not be satisfied with mediocrity.

He's been trying to fix the problem for at least 2 years, hasn't been able to. He's plainly not the next coming of Nathan Astle, and he's been knocked down a peg now with being stripped of the vice captaincy. Play him in the position that suits the team best, not himself/his ego.

The interesting thing is he can do it in T20, and has recently been converting more in tests, albeit vs India on featherbed and his usual bullying of Bangladesh, but he just obviously has a problem in pacing an ODI innings.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Eh? Since 08 McCullum has 2 centuries and Taylor, Guptill, Ryder, Elliott and How only have one. Yes the second one was against Ireland but the others have hardly surpassed him.

He has been great at the top and saying that he has only 1 genuine 100 in 145 ininngs is pretty poor considering he has batted at 7 for most of his career.

He has batted 64 times opening and has 2 100s 11 50s and a SR of 90. The only opener we've ever had for a long period of time that can possibly be named better than him is Astle. (not counting Turner since it was a different game)
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Given what has already been said about the pitch, and how grimy the weather in Wellington has been today, it looks as though Arnel will be making his debut tomorrow. It'll be a tough test for him, but interesting nonetheless.

Having not seen much of him, it'll be interesting to see how he goes.
 
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Halfpast_Yellow

U19 Vice-Captain
Forgot about the Pakistan one, didn't watch the match. But the others haven't had the same chance and 64 matches. The point is his conversion is poor. 11 50s, 1 hundred when opening an innings is poor conversion.

Strike rate of 90 isn't the stat I'm interested in. And an average of 35 is neither here nor there either. I'd prefer someone who struck at 80 but had more ticks in the centuries column, and can pace an innings.
I'm not suggesting drop him from the team. I'm saying he is better striking at 90 down the order in the powerplay, and performing wicketkeeping duties.

He says he doesn't want to keep wicket and open. Well if I were coach, that would be fine with me, but then given the options he'd be going down the order and keeping the gloves. Others agree too :)
 

Howsie

International Captain
I tend to agree with this, players like Guptill, How, Taylor have all scored centuries at the top 3 for us in ODIs, and Styris and Elliot have made them from 4 and 5. When you're setting a total in an ODI, someone who can bat through for a century massively helps your chances of setting a winning total.

A quick 50 and adding wicket-keeping value to the side is fine. A sole batsman not being able to convert scores at the top of the order, is not fine, especially now there is a powerplay the batting side can opt to take. Let's not be satisfied with mediocrity.

He's been trying to fix the problem for at least 2 years, hasn't been able to. He's plainly not the next coming of Nathan Astle, and he's been knocked down a peg now with being stripped of the vice captaincy. Play him in the position that suits the team best, not himself/his ego.

The interesting thing is he can do it in T20, and has recently been converting more in tests, albeit vs India on featherbed and his usual bullying of Bangladesh, but he just obviously has a problem in pacing an ODI innings.
Agree with this post on so many levels.
 

Howsie

International Captain
Eh? Since 08 McCullum has 2 centuries and Taylor, Guptill, Ryder, Elliott and How only have one. Yes the second one was against Ireland but the others have hardly surpassed him.

He has been great at the top and saying that he has only 1 genuine 100 in 145 ininngs is pretty poor considering he has batted at 7 for most of his career.

He has batted 64 times opening and has 2 100s 11 50s and a SR of 90. The only opener we've ever had for a long period of time that can possibly be named better than him is Astle. (not counting Turner since it was a different game)
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Taking out his Ireland 100 he averages 32.1 with the bat since Janurary 2008, striking at around 90. Decent yes, but how many games has he actually won for New Zealand in that time. Player's like Ryder, Guptill and Elliott all have the same amount of 100's but they haven't played anywhere near the same amount of games.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com

Taking out his Ireland 100 he averages 32.1 with the bat since Janurary 2008, striking at around 90. Decent yes, but how many games has he actually won for New Zealand in that time. Player's like Ryder, Guptill and Elliott all have the same amount of 100's but they haven't played anywhere near the same amount of games.
He also had some bad/misguided form where he was there to build partnerships under Moles.

Would say his figures would be far better since Moles has left.
 

howardj

International Coach
I can exclusively confirm that Harris will play (subject to fitness) and that North has retained his place (quite astonishingly).

Back to you in the studio.
 

Hit_Wicket

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Disappointing, yes, but inevitable, really.

Once he got picked in the squad he was bound to play, at least in the 1st test test, so that the selectors could justify his inclusion.
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
I made a long post but I lost it. Frickin Internet. Bottom line I vote in favour of McCullum opening. He is average at the job. And is a star player for us in ODIs.

I think we have a number of players in our side who are a threat to score big runs when they walk out to bat. But I think we are about one batsman light even when fully healthy. I think this is a more pressing problem than where McCullum bats.
 

AlanJLegend

U19 Vice-Captain
I would love to see North ton up in the next couple of days. Not even some ridiculous over-the-top 300* match-saving effort, just a nice solid 100 in the first innings just to prove he can.

If this does not happen in the next 2 games, I think it will be time to give Smith a go. I think he is somewhat hard done by tbh, scoring an absolutle mountain of runs over the past few months and taking a 7-for, he is more than deserving of a shot.
 

cbuts

International Debutant
I would love to see North ton up in the next couple of days. Not even some ridiculous over-the-top 300* match-saving effort, just a nice solid 100 in the first innings just to prove he can.

If this does not happen in the next 2 games, I think it will be time to give Smith a go. I think he is somewhat hard done by tbh, scoring an absolutle mountain of runs over the past few months and taking a 7-for, he is more than deserving of a shot.
Im sure he will get a big ton - we have a habbit of that.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Whilst I can understand North's inclusion (if it happens), I fail to see what it will prove or see the short/medium/long term potential

Oz needs a player like Smith as he is potentially a rare gem

It does not need a player like North as he could conceivably be replaced by quite a few others

Seems to be nothing more than the selectors wanting to prove themselves right more than anything else
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Despite the fact that we're going to get murdered, I'm really excited about this. First test against Australia that I'll be going to since Chris Cairns murdered a century on day one in 2000.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Could be interesting to see how the Kat goes this tour. Couldn't buy a run this season domestically.
 

pskov

International 12th Man
Just logged onto the net and read the Cricinfo headline "Harris, Hughes in as Australia bat" and thought for a moment that they'd sent Harris in to open. :laugh:
 

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