James
Cricket Web Owner
Given how good Boult is in the IPL, we need him fit and firing. The first fast bowling pick IMO.
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*Official* Australia in New Zealand T20s 2021
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
TBF, he was more good in the UAE than in India in the IPL. Guess this season should decide for sure.
M0rphin3
International Debutant
Why are they sticking with Guppy? End of the rope for him now surely? I mean, love the guy but he's gotta go, I guess maybe this t20 WC would be the last we see of him?
Also I think Southee-Bennett attack is gonna get pasted this time around (Southee's recent performances notwithstanding, think he'll **** the bed). Imagine going in with this attack (without Ferg) in india ?
Also I think Southee-Bennett attack is gonna get pasted this time around (Southee's recent performances notwithstanding, think he'll **** the bed). Imagine going in with this attack (without Ferg) in india ?
I'm happy for him to get one more shot at it, Gup, but if he can't get runs now we're in a Munro situation with the 2019 World Cup where we're taking in a guy who can't score a run but we've got no other proven options.
And yeah like others said I'd like to see Milne there over Bennett. The guy is in our best XI I'd reckon, and just so happens to play in Australia because it's in his financial interest too given he hasn't got a national contract. Same with Munro, I'd rather see him there than Gup and Finn Allen, who had a hell of a season but showed in the T20 final that it might be too heady of a step yet.
M0rphin3
International Debutant
Yeah, same. But if he fails (which is v likely if his recent form is anything to go by), that leaves one series for Allen to get slotted in yes?
Also re: Munro, so that's it, they've moved on from him? Looked pretty decent in BBL tbf
It's very likely given his form this season, hasn't played lately with injury and Australia's decent attack etc.
Looks like there's three T20s against Pakistan in October before the World Cup/event thingee but yeah, not a lot of lead-in. I think with a guy like Munro who's in form and only went to Australia because the weighting of his national representation wasn't enough to get him a contract (T20 holds the least weight in terms of contract position) we should hold off on Allen. The stink thing is if Munro had blitzed it in our Super Smash, he's probably in the team. But the fact that he didn't because he sought to look after his family, and scored runs in what is arguably a tougher comp, now sees that he's not picked. I'm not for that.
M0rphin3
International Debutant
Yeah really harsh IMO, can't fault the guy for opting to play BBL/other franchises since there's no contract + hardly any cricket at all for him. Hardly fair. Could've really beefed up the batting with the form he's in rn
Same with Milne. Could really bowl tidy overs with some heat, could really be useful especially since Lockie's out for **** knows how long.
Same with Milne. Could really bowl tidy overs with some heat, could really be useful especially since Lockie's out for **** knows how long.
Moss
International Captain
Seems like opting out of a contract or international duty to play in other T20 leagues, like McCleneghan in 2016, just rubs NZC the wrong way. Wish they’d be a bit more open minded about it - thought the board did a great thing in not getting too stuffy about players turning out in the IPL during its early years, when such conflicts were causing the West Indies a lot of problems.
That's if you ignore the Shane Bond scenario.
If that's the way NZC are going to operate, they should just come out and say it. Because I'd like to know whether they are deciding Milne/Munro aren't in our best squad, or whether they're not considered. I think I heard Stead say they would be considered, but as you say it seems like their decisions are being treated as 'you go overseas, you turn your back on us'. Which as I've said, is dumb. No way Munro/Milne are going to stick around for much less money and no guarantee of playing, and if they're good enough they should be picked. We can safely presume the Big Bash is a strong enough proving ground.
Moss
International Captain
Re: Bond, thought it more to do with the fact that he was part of the ICL so NZC were strong armed by the BCCI into banning him? But yeah all academic now, wish they’d make their stance clear at this point.
Flem274*
123/5
yeah they were
nzc being harsh on players ignoring our domestic season in favour of bbl is smart tbh. you don't want the rest getting ideas and all of a sudden several more fringe black caps are all over there and the quality of the super smash is degraded. munro looking out for his family is fine but nzc can't put munros finances ahead of the health of our domestic game. their only priority is a strong nz.
it's fine for them to play in the ipl, windies or england because it doesn't run through our summer.
nzc being harsh on players ignoring our domestic season in favour of bbl is smart tbh. you don't want the rest getting ideas and all of a sudden several more fringe black caps are all over there and the quality of the super smash is degraded. munro looking out for his family is fine but nzc can't put munros finances ahead of the health of our domestic game. their only priority is a strong nz.
it's fine for them to play in the ipl, windies or england because it doesn't run through our summer.
The Hutt Rec
International Vice-Captain
Yeah I can’t argue with it really, we don’t want half of the Super Smash heading to Australia in the middle of summer every year. With Munro I think Allen is more deserving anyway.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Agree performance in super smash should be preferred over BBL, to protect domestic cricket. (Other franchise leagues out of season are all OK).
but, big BUT, Guptill wasn't performing in Super Smash. he wasn't performing before that in T20I. Munro should be in (or Allen). Protecting Super Smash v rewarding not even medicority, rewarding ****.
I love Guptill, but he needs to pay the piper, then earn his way back in.
Bennett over Milne, I don't mind. even though I think Milne's talent is way more transferable to the international level. This is a situation that can be rectified at a later date without too much fuss.
but, big BUT, Guptill wasn't performing in Super Smash. he wasn't performing before that in T20I. Munro should be in (or Allen). Protecting Super Smash v rewarding not even medicority, rewarding ****.
I love Guptill, but he needs to pay the piper, then earn his way back in.
Bennett over Milne, I don't mind. even though I think Milne's talent is way more transferable to the international level. This is a situation that can be rectified at a later date without too much fuss.
James
Cricket Web Owner
Big Bash Players - initial base of $42,000 (1.9 million salary cap)
Source: https://www.sportingfree.com/cricket/big-bash-players-salary/
Super Smash - $575 a match , so around $6,000 a player.
Source: https://www.newsroom.co.nz/lockerroom/crickets-pay-agreement-a-start-but-gap-is-still-wide
Ultimately in a free market, it would be silly for the likes of Munro and Milne not to leave and attempt to earn more elsewhere if they don't get a look in at home. NZC to me need to be realistic where if they can't compete on a pay-scale, players are going to move to the bigger leagues if they get the chance.
I'd like to see cricket take a similar view to football/soccer. Let players go wherever they want and you select your players globally for international cricket.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
I didn't think Finn Allen would make the team even as a back up. Stead seems to back the players in the team, give them good run for couple of series or two before changing. It has its merits and demerits. Lowers the pressure on the players to a certain extent but that also holds back players that are in good form. Conway should be playing all formats but he's been picked only for T20Is so far.
Finn Allen definitely deserved a spot but do understand we are taking about him replacing Guptill who's a legend white ball cricketer. If you go out of the team it's very hard to come back in at the moment. I'm fine with Allen not playing vs Aussies. I'd rather see him debut vs Bangladesh. Last thing we want is him getting out couple of times early and dumped for ages to come. Also that'll mean Stead and Larsen then deciding Allen didn't go well so none of the younger lot will go well.
Whatever happened to the two teams being named for each series? I guess they are taking this series vs the Aussies quite seriously and not wanting to experiment. Just hope they don't do the same vs Bangladesh.
Finn Allen definitely deserved a spot but do understand we are taking about him replacing Guptill who's a legend white ball cricketer. If you go out of the team it's very hard to come back in at the moment. I'm fine with Allen not playing vs Aussies. I'd rather see him debut vs Bangladesh. Last thing we want is him getting out couple of times early and dumped for ages to come. Also that'll mean Stead and Larsen then deciding Allen didn't go well so none of the younger lot will go well.
Whatever happened to the two teams being named for each series? I guess they are taking this series vs the Aussies quite seriously and not wanting to experiment. Just hope they don't do the same vs Bangladesh.
The Hutt Rec
International Vice-Captain
Yeah but Milne and Munro also gave up their domestic retainers which for players of their standing would have been top of the scale at $54,000.
If we have a free for all and let players go anywhere and play for NZ then domestic cricket in NZ will die, nobody will be interested in playing it and we’d be back to 2010 days before too long, I reckon.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
I'm super glad it was only really Milne and Munro that missed playing super smash. Fair enough they'd rather be playing leagues and early some cash but that said if you select them over our domestic performers then what good is our domestic performances are for? Besides if our domestic performers were performing just enough that's a different thing. If few guys are stand outs then they need to be looked at. Super smash threw lot of good players this year but the stand outs with the bat have been Conway, Allen, Mitchell, Chapman, Young, Worker, McConchie, Doug Bracewell and couple others from memory.
Given the number of black caps that consistently turned out for this year's super smash I'd definitely be giving weightage to the numbers.
Given the number of black caps that consistently turned out for this year's super smash I'd definitely be giving weightage to the numbers.
Flem274*
123/5
exactly. the football model would do to the smaller cricket boards what it does to the smaller football modes - prevent them from competing, forever.
nzc don't and should not care about a free market when their main concern is keeping cricket here in good health. i'd argue the icc shouldn't either. it isn't in crickets best interests for their products (the international sides, major t20 leagues etc) to be fighting each other when the sport needs a unified front to compete against other sports.
despite being initially disappointed in milne's non-selection, the more i consider the above the more im fine with it. bennett contributed to his side winning an nz title, milne took money in favour of being one of centrals best players, a player who could probably win the super smash for central. he's injury prone af so i can't fault him taking the cash but nzc should put the game ahead of individuals.