***Official Australia in India***

[silentstriker]

Absolutely woeful decision...

Indian commentator trying to justify it as well

I don't see how a decision can be 'woeful' if the hawkeye shows it hitting the stumps.....

 

[pup11]

He's right.

The question is however, is it the Indian cricket team's responsibility to ensure the game is aesthetically pleasing for viewers? Or is it their responsibility to win cricket matches and win a test series?
God this sounds awfully familiar to the Sydney Swans/flooding argument in the AFL!

No its not India' responsibility to make the game aesthetically pleasing for the viewers, but if a team takes the lead in the first few tests of a series and then falls back on such tactics to save that lead, then we are much better off not playing the reaming games in such cases.

 

[Jono]

The tactics were reasonable in a general sense, but I do think it's pretty depressing from an Indian standpoint that they're approaching this game from a "saving it" standpoint already. While obviously winning the series is important, surely it's better to continue to play attacking cricket and try and win the series comprehensively than force a draw for a 1-0 win, at least at this point where the game is there to win.

Anyway, Katich is out now so we'll see if they change things up.

To be fair, those tactics produced at least two or three edges from Australia. Agree on the whole though.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

There was enough doubt there to give it not out IMO and it would have been more often than not. Still, it wasn't a woeful decision really, it was reasonable, just with some element of doubt.

 

[silentstriker]

No its not India' responsibility to make the game aesthetically pleasing for the viewers, but if a team takes the lead in the first few tests of a series and then falls back on such tactics to save that lead, then we are much better off not playing the reaming games in such cases.

Well, no. It's up to the losing team to force the result. No one can play that tactic for five days - India still has to score a big total.

 

[silentstriker]

There was enough doubt there to give it not out IMO and it would have been more often than not. Still, it wasn't a woeful decision really, it was reasonable, just with some element of doubt.

Yes, it would be been fine if it was not out, or given out.

 

[ret]

Duffer is an Indian in Australia and background has nothing to do with his arguement. I think he's just a bit annoyed by the fact that you tend to write off the champion Indian players if they are performing averagely. Dravid, being a player of such high stature deserves a lot more respect from cricketing fans and journalists and we need to cut him some slack. I believe that it's important to let Dravid go out on his own terms.

by background, i m implying professional background. if that was that hard to understand.... and i don't care about other ppl's personal beliefs

as far as I m concerned, if a player is not performing then he shouldn't be in the squad. going out on one's own terms is a long way ahead .... and I say that because I don't think any one does any favors by playing, especially in a professional capacity, for India. I like to see things done in the best interest of India rather than players!!!

 

[IndGunner]

The tactics were reasonable in a general sense, but I do think it's pretty depressing from an Indian standpoint that they're approaching this game from a "saving it" standpoint already. While obviously winning the series is important, surely it's better to continue to play attacking cricket and try and win the series comprehensively than force a draw for a 1-0 win, at least at this point where the game is there to win.

Anyway, Katich is out now so we'll see if they change things up.

I dont agree with you there i dont think it is a saving tactic it is a winning one, quite a dour one but still india want to win the series and thats what they are doing. any way they can. If i rememeber correctly same thing happened in adelaide earliar this year but aust were batting slowly same defensive tactics though. Not that there is anything wrong with these tactics...

Aust need to win this so they have to make the effort this is a good tactic dry the runs up force Aussies to play at it and get out or score

 

[Precambrian]

oh dear i am waiting for precamb to say some thing about indias shocking over rates :P or is that an Aust only subject :P

No, terrible stuff from India also. 24 overs is piss poor.

 

[Precambrian]

There was enough doubt there to give it not out IMO and it would have been more often than not. Still, it wasn't a woeful decision really, it was reasonable, just with some element of doubt.

AWTA. It was slightly marginal, but Katich's immediate reaction after that suggested otherwise, he left his foot dangling plumb in front of middle stump.

 

[ret]

Yeah something like this, and also the fact that a bloke who I would wager hasn't achieved half as much as Dravid has in whatever field he's chosen, deciding to criticise him for his lack of professionalism is hilairty of the highest order.

the way you think makes me laugh .... by your logic, only ppl who have achieved as much as Dravid or at least half can criticize Dravid, so to criticize Bush, one has to be President of some country or I guess at least hold a position of power in the central government

and talking that logic further, you can't even criticize me as I doubt if you have achieved as much as me or even half

if i were you, I would not open my mouth. it obvious that we are not on the same page

 

[Top_Cat]

I dont agree with you there i dont think it is a saving tactic it is a winning one, quite a dour one but still india want to win the series and thats what they are doing. any way they can. If i rememeber correctly same thing happened in adelaide earliar this year but aust were batting slowly same defensive tactics though. Not that there is anything wrong with these tactics...

Aust need to win this so they have to make the effort this is a good tactic dry the runs up force Aussies to play at it and get out or score

So, in other words, "But mommy, the Aussies have done it tooooo!" Has nothing to do with what Faaip said.

I personally have no problem with India doing what they're doing, it'd be silly to risk a 1-1 series in chasing 2-0 just to please the asthetists and I do think Aus should have to chase the win. This doesn't change that they are negative tactics and whether Aus has done them before has absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[IndGunner]

seriously ret + duffer can u make or topic and have ur flame wars there pls?

 

[Precambrian]

No its not India' responsibility to make the game aesthetically pleasing for the viewers, but if a team takes the lead in the first few tests of a series and then falls back on such tactics to save that lead, then we are much better off not playing the reaming games in such cases.

Not really. Batsmen also to be blamed as many deliveries pitched on the corridor was left alone. There was absolutely no effort from them to up the RR, or to change the tactics.

AB says it was good stuff from India.

 

[silentstriker]

No, terrible stuff from India also. 24 overs is piss poor.

Wasn't Ponting also going at around 12-12.5? Same as usual TBH. Need run penalty. If they bowl 6 overs less in a day (not counting the extra half hour crap), 30 runs added to the opponents total will light a fire under the captain's arse to get the thing moving the next day.

 

[irfan]

The tactics were reasonable in a general sense, but I do think it's pretty depressing from an Indian standpoint that they're approaching this game from a "saving it" standpoint already. While obviously winning the series is important, surely it's better to continue to play attacking cricket and try and win the series comprehensively than force a draw for a 1-0 win, at least at this point where the game is there to win.

Anyway, Katich is out now so we'll see if they change things up.

Completely AWTA. We definitely had Australia on the hop in Delhi and atleast for Aus first 200 runs or so in their 1st innings we should have been all guns blazing in trying to get as many as wickets but too early and too quickly we reverted to defensive field settings when nothing was happening. It's alright being defensive when the situation demands it but when you are 600 ahead and not bowling with the intent to take wickets by bowling disciplined lines with attacking field settings then you will never be the best team in the world (which is what India should be aspiring to be.)

In short, India's inhibition to be ruthless when ahead in the series is somewhat puzzling. Our batsman are in form and our bowlers are more suited to Indian conditions than Australia.

 

[Precambrian]

So, in other words, "But mommy, the Aussies have done it tooooo!" Has nothing to do with what Faaip said.

I personally have no problem with India doing what they're doing, it'd be silly to risk a 1-1 series in chasing 2-0 just to please the asthetists and I do think Aus should have to chase the win. This doesn't change that they are negative tactics and whether Aus has done them before has absolutely nothing to do with it.

AWTA. Giving excuse for such a tactic is bs. It was good stuff. Test cricket is not just about a good RR always.

 

[IndGunner]

So, in other words, "But mommy, the Aussies have done it tooooo!" Has nothing to do with what Faaip said.

I personally have no problem with India doing what they're doing, it'd be silly to risk a 1-1 series in chasing 2-0 just to please the asthetists and I do think Aus should have to chase the win. This doesn't change that they are negative tactics and whether Aus has done them before has absolutely nothing to do with it.

All i was saying was i think they are validated, slow the runs down make em bat for a 2 days and then u can bat out the Adelaide was an example im sure ALL OTHER Test playing nations have done it nothing new about slowing down the play...

 

[duffer]

the way you think makes me laugh .... by your logic, only ppl who have achieved as much as Dravid or at least half can criticize Dravid, so to criticize Bush, one has to be President of some country or I guess at least hold a position of power in the central government

and talking that logic further, you can't even criticize me as I doubt if you have achieved as much as me or even half

Ouch, touchy aren't you. I never said you can't but think it's a bit rich to be doing so.

if i were you, I would not open my mouth. it obvious that we are not on the same page :

Haha worst blooke on here, welcome to the ignore list.

 

[Precambrian]

Yeah, reg Aussie RR, just go back a few pages and see my constant moaning abt the same.

Ian Chappel going all guns blazing abt poor over-rates.