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*Official* Australia in India - ODIs

Hit_Wicket

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Do you support Aus or India?:p
Aus, actually (see location and avatar). Irrespective of that, my respect for Tendulkar is subjective.
Unfortunately, I'm not such a big fan of Watto (never have been too partial really) but even I'll admit
he's a much improved player. Bowled well in the last game; just have to hope he stays in one piece.
 
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Do people really consider Ponting not an astute ODI captain? I can understand if his leadership is questioned in Test Cricket, but I think he's a brilliant ODI captain.
Arguably the best ever

Led Oz to '03 WC triumph depsite losing Warne hours before start

Led Oz to '07 WC triumph depsite team being out of form in lead up

Led Oz to CT triumph in India, convincing team to take tourney seriously for first time in process

Led Oz to '09 CT triumph with side in rebuilding mode

No-one comes remotely close to matching those achievements
 

Notorious1

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Ponting is a brillian batsman, there is no doubt about that. He is the best in the world and has been for quite some time now.


But as a a captain he is not that good but has improved.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Arguably the best ever

Led Oz to '03 WC triumph depsite losing Warne hours before start

Led Oz to '07 WC triumph depsite team being out of form in lead up

Led Oz to CT triumph in India, convincing team to take tourney seriously for first time in process

Led Oz to '09 CT triumph with side in rebuilding mode

No-one comes remotely close to matching those achievements
Yep, generally a very good ODI captain.

Test cricket he leaves his brain off the field at times though.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
I'm not saying that he didn't make an error, and that it wasn't a costly one. However, one bad decision does not equal "choking". If he had've been losing his brain for an over before that, trying to play left handed slog sweeps, then maybe...
Misbah?
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Haven't really recovered from that shock yet... Remember going out for a treat with mates and shouting full throat as Sachin kept taking us nearer and nearer the impossible... Too bad he chose THAT moment for a bad shot... :(


BTW, how good are the Aussies? 5 or 6 of the best at home and still putting it up against an Indian side only really missing one main bowler.. Although, it can and must be said that most of the Indian guys are only now feeling their way back to full match fitness...



That Aussie bowling attack is decidedly weak though.. Johnson has become so bad that he has to be dropped even when 6 of the main players are out of the side??????
 

Uppercut

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No, Johnson was injured too.

You always know what you're going to get with the Aussies. Their depth is just in a different league to any other country.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
They keep saying "rested" which is neither here nor there, isn't it? They are not saying he is not fit enough and yet they are not saying they have dropped him.. Generally, I tend to take it that when you "Rest" someone, it is just a soft way of dropping them...


And about the Aussies, I have a little theory that almost every time so many of the first choice players are not available (either due to injury or disputes), the second rung players generally step up and play at a level above their normal ones... First, there is the matter of very less expectations and second, they are under less pressure because they know whatever they do, most of them will end up being dropped when the big guys come back and third, they are an unknown quantity to the opposition.. We have seen it happen a few times with the Windies and once when India went to Sri Lanka with a rather depleted side (probably in 2001)...
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Nah Johnson had ankle problems.

Even when fully fit though he hasn't been that great at ODI level, but he EASILY makes it ahead of Hilfenhaus.

That being said, Hilfy wasn't terrible in game 5.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
yeah.. saw that in the game but he is able to bowl.. I suppose they are juz being precautionary with him, which is fine... He is more important for the home tests. On these belters, juz about anyone goes for a few, honestly.. :(
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
They keep saying "rested" which is neither here nor there, isn't it? They are not saying he is not fit enough and yet they are not saying they have dropped him.. Generally, I tend to take it that when you "Rest" someone, it is just a soft way of dropping them...


And about the Aussies, I have a little theory that almost every time so many of the first choice players are not available (either due to injury or disputes), the second rung players generally step up and play at a level above their normal ones... First, there is the matter of very less expectations and second, they are under less pressure because they know whatever they do, most of them will end up being dropped when the big guys come back and third, they are an unknown quantity to the opposition.. We have seen it happen a few times with the Windies and once when India went to Sri Lanka with a rather depleted side (probably in 2001)...
I would explain that a bit differently.

I think we have to accept that the quality of the average first class cricketer in Australia is better. This is probably the result of the tighter format - fewer teams and the top players playing a lot of first class cricket unlike what we see in India.

They are also more professional in their outlook than the Indian first class cricketer.T he discipline is good and one had to admire the control their bowlers show once a startegy has been adopted for bowling on a particular wicket or to a particular batsman. Indian bowlers with so much international cricket behind them have shown less discipline.

Similarly the Australian appears, on the average, superior to us in overall mental strength. I think we need to play down the "star value" that an Indian cricketer acquires so easily with just the slightest exposure to top cricket. Many talented youngsters have fallen pray to this problem. The Australians have to do not build their youngsters much beyond their capabilities. That perhaps accounts for our feeling that they (the young Australians) are
playing "at a level above their normal ones". Maybe this IS their level and we just did not think so because they came to India with no big 'propaganda' (for want of a better word) behind them.
 
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I would explain that a bit differently.

I think we have to accept that the quality of the average first class cricketer in Australia is better. This is probably the result of the tighter format - fewer teams and the top players playing a lot of first class cricket unlike what we see in India.
They really don't play much FC cricket, tbf.
 

abol_tabol

Cricket Spectator
And about the Aussies, I have a little theory that almost every time so many of the first choice players are not available (either due to injury or disputes), the second rung players generally step up and play at a level above their normal ones... First, there is the matter of very less expectations and second, they are under less pressure because they know whatever they do, most of them will end up being dropped when the big guys come back and third, they are an unknown quantity to the opposition.. We have seen it happen a few times with the Windies and once when India went to Sri Lanka with a rather depleted side (probably in 2001)...
I think " the unknown quantity" is the big factor in this series. Indian batsmen always take some time to sort out the opposition bowlers. Bollinger, McKay ... very unknown to the Indians. I'm pretty sure McDonald is also going to do very well in his first match.

Australia is playing extremely well with their second string team. And the depth in talent is also incredible. No doubt about that. But I think it is is helping them more ... the unknown and the surprise factor in their bowling attack. In every match they had different attack. Besides, India is in a very difficult "no win" situation. Even if they win the series everybody will say that it does not matter, it is against a depleted Aussie side.

On the other hand, Aussie batsmen are finding it little easier against a settle Indian bowling attack, they got used to it and can handle the bowling more comfortably.

Interestingly, with their A team Australia might find it little more difficult against the Indians. Having said that, with the bowling attack India got it would always be very difficult to win a series against a quality side like Australia. This Indian attack just does not cut it, too ordinary specially with Ishant's and Bhaji's poor form. Only thing they needed to do is to provide few early break throughs with the new ball and they are not being able to do that. One time they were successful when Australia was chasing a mammoth total.
 
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I think " the unknown quantity" is the big factor in this series. Indian batsmen always take some time to sort out the opposition bowlers. Bollinger, McKay ... very unknown to the Indians. I'm pretty sure McDonald is also going to do very well in his first match.

Australia is playing extremely well with their second string team. And the depth in talent is also incredible. No doubt about that. But I think it is is helping them more ... the unknown and the surprise factor in their bowling attack. In every match they had different attack. Besides, India is in a very difficult "no win" situation. Even if they win the series everybody will say that it does not matter, it is against a depleted Aussie side.

On the other hand, Aussie batsmen are finding it little easier against a settle Indian bowling attack, they got used to it and can handle the bowling more comfortably.

Interestingly, with their A team Australia may find it little more difficult against the Indians. Having said that, with the bolwing attack India got it would always be very difficult to win a series against a quality side like Australia. This Indian attack just does not cut it, too ordinary specially with Ishant's and Bhaji's poor form. Only thing they needed to do is to provide few early break throughs with the new ball and they are not being able to do that. One time they were successful when Australia was chasing a mammoth total.
India not that good (most likely reason tbh)/injuries taking Oz selectors out of equation/youngsters having a go/ etc

Bottom line is that it is a very even series and it wouldnt surprise me if India got up and won vs a severely depleted side

If they dont, the **** will really hit the fan
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Bottom line is that it is a very even series and it wouldnt surprise me if India got up and won vs a severely depleted side
The Aussies have lost it at crucial moments, but the Indians have signs of genuine weakness and significant mismanagement. The Aussies have thrown it away at times (or were occasionally unlucky) in the series, but have largely looked a better team. The Indians have gone backwards after the Champions Trophy and we're seeing good players replaced by inferior (at times misfit) reserves. You can make a little whitepaper on all the goofs, blunders and bloopers made by the selectors and support staff (and even the captain) of the Indian team, which ironically includes sacking two crucial support staff members without replacement. There's either chaos or complete faith in something which won't deliver.

Munaf playing another ODI takes the mud cake. But it's less about the players than the people making decisions.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
If they dont, the **** will really hit the fan
Haven't lost a test series in a while, so I doubt it, even considering that this is India. Some random **** may happen, like a few youngsters dropped and some media **** about Dhoni... but that'll be it.
 

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