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***Official*** Australia in India 2017

honestbharani

honestbharani

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Victor Ian said:
Firstly - India are not mentally shot and Australia are not favourites for the series. This was a once off - you do not win so many games if one loss breaks your confidence. India will consign this to the bin and move on.

What confuses me most here is this discussion of Australia playing the line versus India playing for the spin. How did that come about? It doesn't make sense because India is the model for how to play spin and their players were all playing for the spin. I would have expected Australia to have been playing for spin as well. If they spent the whole time the last month prepping for the line, that is a ballsy move. For this test, it seems genius. Is this going to backfire for the remaining tests if they are more traditional pitches?

I guess playing the line might be due to analysis of how wickets are lost. Perhaps Ashwin and Co get lots of wickets bowled and LBW by spinning and then slipping int he non spinner. Perhaps Australia took out LBW by playing the line and were prepared to give catches away instead, as at least catches required India to complete the wicket.

Anyways, someone make sense of why Australia played the line while India played the spin. Why would India have played for spin against two spinners they don't respect, who supposedly can't spin it?
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It's not like they wanted to. As a batsman your instinct s to always try to reach and put bat on ball. Aussies unlearned it well and the Indians, for starters, did not have the strategy in the first innings and could not unlearn it fast enough in the second innings. That is how I read the events, at least.
 
Compton

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There's no question that the Australians played for the line.

Smith's outside edge was beaten 20 times a session, and that doesn't happen accidentally to someone with the hand:eye of Smith.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

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Vic Ian, playing spin is not a one answer question. You have to play against spin differently on different surfaces. On bunsens of the past, Indians will get either fully forward or fully back, judge the length and turn better than the opposition and play accordingly. This came with years and years in the FC scene. Of the current crop, really, only Vijay and Pujara would have done that. Coz they play on home tracks that still favor spin. A lot of the tracks in the past 10 years in Ranji have been greentops where mediocre medium pacers become match winners and those are the sort of tracks folks like Kohli and Rahane would have played a lot of their cricket. So it does not come naturally to them.

And the more I see of the game, the more I am convinced that the changes ASh and Jaddu have made to their bowling game to suit less spin friendly tracks is what has done them in this time. And the fact that Australia have come in with much better planning for a turner than any team ever has AFAIC. That just meant the Indians were frustrated on the field and that maybe played a part in how rash and lethargic they seemed with the bat in hand. I agree that there is a theoretical chance that India can still win the series as in these conditions, this performance notwithstanding, they should still be the better side, but given what a big slap to the face this test has been to the entire Indian cricketing community, I just do not see it happening. Aus to win this 2,3 or 4-0 depending on weather and which one is a flat track AFAIC.
 
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honestbharani said:
Vic Ian, playing spin is not a one answer question. You have to play against spin differently on different surfaces. On bunsens of the past, Indians will get either fully forward or fully back, judge the length and turn better than the opposition and play accordingly. This came with years and years in the FC scene. Of the current crop, really, only Vijay and Pujara would have done that. Coz they play on home tracks that still favor spin. A lot of the tracks in the past 10 years in Ranji have been greentops where mediocre medium pacers become match winners and those are the sort of tracks folks like Kohli and Rahane would have played a lot of their cricket. So it does not come naturally to them.

And the more I see of the game, the more I am convinced that the changes ASh and Jaddu have made to their bowling game to suit less spin friendly tracks is what has done them in this time. And the fact that Australia have come in with much better planning for a turner than any team ever has AFAIC. That just meant the Indians were frustrated on the field and that maybe played a part in how rash and lethargic they seemed with the bat in hand. I agree that there is a theoretical chance that India can still win the series as in these conditions, this performance notwithstanding, they should still be the better side, but given what a big slap to the face this test has been to the entire Indian cricketing community, I just do not see it happening. Aus to win this 2,3 or 4-0 depending on weather and which one is a flat track AFAIC.
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I know you're pessimistic, but come on now. India failing to win a match against Australia over 4 Tests would be a shock of seismic proportions. This isn't the '99-'06 Australia side we're talking about here, and even they couldn't manage that.
 
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Yes, but the conditions will vary quite a bit over the series.

I think our best chance is if we get pitches that lead to an attritional style of cricket (e.g. Mohali, Vizag against England). It may not make for fun viewing for the neutral but it allows us to control the flow of the match by restricting the opposition's scoring rate, while the likes of Pujara and Kohli make runs anyway.

Saying that, Starc getting Kohli for a duck was probably the pivotal moment in this match, and it is worrying how we might be becoming overly dependent on him in Tests also. If he has a really poor series (England 2014 type), then I could see HB's prediction coming true.
 
AndyZaltzHair

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Cant wait for the next match. Seems like a long way. First test finishing within 3 days (another reminder yes) is not helping.
 
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Next pitch should be the squarest turner of all time so that even O'Keefe's straighter ones turn past the edge. No way we'll lose then.
 
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Well hung Aussies :laugh: also seem to be getting farther down the wicket to spinners and with bat tucked behind pad. Indians nearly always trying to work the ball to leg brought the catching cordon into play a lot more. Indians need to grow a few inches and get that front foot down the road and smother the ball.

Oh, and other than Pujara, nobody really seems to like dancing down the pitch, either. Any time they do seems to be for the big hit, but not so much as a defensive tactic or to get off strike. They ought to study Smith and Clarke before him.
 
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