*Official* Australia in India 2010

[TumTum]

Smith looked suspicious against spin, I doubt he could score much in India.

 

[aussie]

Smith looked suspicious against spin, I doubt he could score much in India.

Trueish. But then again Smith shouldn't play in IND. AUS main wicket-taking options in IND will obviously be the quicks & their ability to reverse swing the ball. The role of the spinner in Hauritz will hopefully be to tie up & end, that is if the IND batsmen especially Sehwag & Gambhir dont smash him out of the attack (which i do suspect will happen).

 

[andyc]

It depends on Smith's development in the future & the strenght of the other batsmen in the order basically. His leg-spin bowling could become anything really, since he has the basics right, while his batting is already fairly proven @ the highest level.

So i would think if Smith where to develop into a spin bowling all-rounder. Capable of averaging 35-40 with the bat & be a leggie that can a real wicket-taking threat on turners. I see him batting @ 7 with that dual role tentatively. But its early days still.




Well yea i do disagree ATS. Wouldn't rate Smith batting ahead of Haddin really. ATM i dont see being a test match number 6 long term with that technique of his - number 7 looks good for him @ test level i'd say. But i see consistent top 6 ability in Haddin - whether he ever lives up to obvious ability is another story however.

But as your rightfully said it basically depends on Smith's development. If his bowling becomes good - AUS got a top quality spin-bowling all-rounder. But if it doesn't & he has to push for a place in the test side on his batting strenght alone, it may be difficult for him. I would think the AUS seelctors definately have hopes for him to be spin-bowling all-rounder for test though - he is clearly been fast tracked for that role ATM.

Sorry Aussie, but I think you're a bit unfamiliar with Smith here. The guy averages 55+ after his first season in Shield cricket. To say that his role is to average 35-40 with the bat and bowl leggies is frankly incorrect. Were the selectors to get it right, then he would be earning his spot largely based on his batting, bat in the top 6 and bowl as a second spinner to Hauritz, at least for now.

 

[kingpin]

Trueish. But then again Smith shouldn't play in IND. AUS main wicket-taking options in IND will obviously be the quicks & their ability to reverse swing the ball. The role of the spinner in Hauritz will hopefully be to tie up & end, that is if the IND batsmen especially Sehwag & Gambhir dont smash him out of the attack (which i do suspect will happen).

Well if they survive initial over's...

 

[vic_orthdox]

Sorry Aussie, but I think you're a bit unfamiliar with Smith here. The guy averages 55+ after his first season in Shield cricket. To say that his role is to average 35-40 with the bat and bowl leggies is frankly incorrect. Were the selectors to get it right, then he would be earning his spot largely based on his batting, bat in the top 6 and bowl as a second spinner to Hauritz, at least for now.

I think that's what would be expected of him at the moment, to be honest. He's still only played 15 FC games, two of which are Tests due to an injury. I think providing him with a taste, and protecting his batting a bit, to give him a taste could work out well for the future, and I don't think that we'll see him batting any higher than 7 in the near future.

Down the track, in two or three years, it would be more of a case of top order batsman who bowls some spin; especially as by that time Watson's bowling load will probably have decreased even further as he gets into his 30s.

 

[Spark]

I agree that Haddin should still be number one even if Paine has a good series.However to suggest Haddin is a top 6 batsman long term is stretching it a bit.Guys like Sangakkara, Gilchrist,Flower are , Haddin is not.He doesn't have the temperament to be top 6.But in saying that i would like to see him play on for 3 years and then i expect Wade would have overtaken Paine by then and would be the number one keeper batsman.Wade's batting imo is already superior to Paine's.

In terms of technique Haddin is right up there with our most technically correct and best batsmen. However he has an alarming predisposition to brainlessness.

I'd suggest you're being harsh on Paine. A few solid years in FC cricket and he would definitely be test standard.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I really disagree with the notion that Haddin is one of our most technically capable batsmen. He has lazy feet and is probably the least equipped to handle the swinging ball.

 

[kingpin]

I really disagree with the notion that Haddin is one of our most technically capable batsmen. He has lazy feet and is probably the least equipped to handle the swinging ball.

What other options do you have instead of Haddin and paine????

 

[Spark]

I really disagree with the notion that Haddin is one of our most technically capable batsmen. He has lazy feet and is probably the least equipped to handle the swinging ball.

...as opposed to? I mean, he's not brilliant but none of them really are. Ponting and Hussey are somewhat past it...

 

[aussie]

Sorry Aussie, but I think you're a bit unfamiliar with Smith here. The guy averages 55+ after his first season in Shield cricket. To say that his role is to average 35-40 with the bat and bowl leggies is frankly incorrect. Were the selectors to get it right, then he would be earning his spot largely based on his batting, bat in the top 6 and bowl as a second spinner to Hauritz, at least for now.

I am very familiar with Smith & what he averaged in his first seaon of sheild cricket. Its early days but i dont see him replicating such an average ever in his test cricket, based on what i've seen of him.

Plus i didn't say his role would be to " average 35-40 with the bat and bowl leggies". I was simply suggesting a hypotetical outcome of what his i think test career could will look like.

 

[Cricket_God]

Trueish. But then again Smith shouldn't play in IND. AUS main wicket-taking options in IND will obviously be the quicks & their ability to reverse swing the ball. The role of the spinner in Hauritz will hopefully be to tie up & end, that is if the IND batsmen especially Sehwag & Gambhir dont smash him out of the attack (which i do suspect will happen).

Mate,
Who can reverse swing the ball in the australian attack?
Johnson seam position is terrible ,most times the seam points upwards so reverse swing is very difficult to expect form him,last time all aussie bowlers struggled to get reverse swing in india.Bollinger has an upright seam position he might get some reverse,but i am not expecting reverse swing to be australian bowlers main weapon.

 

[andyc]

Mate,
Who can reverse swing the ball in the australian attack?
Johnson seam position is terrible ,most times the seam points upwards so reverse swing is very difficult to expect form him,last time all aussie bowlers struggled to get reverse swing in india.Bollinger has an upright seam position he might get some reverse,but i am not expecting reverse swing to be australian bowlers main weapon.

Shane Watson probably gets it most consistently.

 

[Nate]

Its early days but i dont see him replicating such an average ever in his test cricket, based on what i've seen of him.

How many Shield games have you seen him play?

 

[Matt79]

What other options do you have instead of Haddin and paine????

I think jack was objecting to people suggesting Haddin was one of the best batsmen in terms of technique, not suggesting that he isn't the best keeper/batsman. Saying Haddin is better than Clarke or whoever is silly.

 

[letahlhughes]

Sorry Aussie, but I think you're a bit unfamiliar with Smith here. The guy averages 55+ after his first season in Shield cricket. To say that his role is to average 35-40 with the bat and bowl leggies is frankly incorrect. Were the selectors to get it right, then he would be earning his spot largely based on his batting, bat in the top 6 and bowl as a second spinner to Hauritz, at least for now.

Agreed with that.I hope selectors havent gotten caught up in the mindset Smith's a bowling all rounder cause he's not and i doubt he'll ever be.

 

[letahlhughes]

In terms of technique Haddin is right up there with our most technically correct and best batsmen. However he has an alarming predisposition to brainlessness.

I'd suggest you're being harsh on Paine. A few solid years in FC cricket and he would definitely be test standard.

I'm not saying Paine is all crap, i just think he's a bloody good keeper and an average batter at best.He would be far from the one day team if i was a selector let alone open the batting.Paine might look good at the crease but batting is about scoring runs, especially in odi where scoring at a brisk rate is essential Paine only has 1 gear really.But yes players improve so who knows in 2 years time he might become the real deal.I'm just not sold on him now that's all, i love the look of Wade though, he's seriously good.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I think Paine would be good enough to average 30 or so, maybe 35 in Test cricket. Wade's batting is good, but his keeping isn't really at an appropriate standard quite yet, although there's no doubt that he's improving.

 

[kingpin]

I think jack was objecting to people suggesting Haddin was one of the best batsmen in terms of technique, not suggesting that he isn't the best keeper/batsman. Saying Haddin is better than Clarke or whoever is silly.

No mate i am asking If Australia got any Wicket keeping batsman other than Paine and Haddin

 

[letahlhughes]

I think Paine would be good enough to average 30 or so, maybe 35 in Test cricket. Wade's batting is good, but his keeping isn't really at an appropriate standard quite yet, although there's no doubt that he's improving.

35 in test cricket?I doubt he'd average that much.Wade's keeping is pretty handy not as bad as you seem to think.The point is that he's a much better batter than Paine.Wade's only 22 that probably has worked against him since aussie selectors seldom pick guys at that age.But if Wade continues as he has surely he would have jumped Paine by then.

 

[Jayzamann]

Thinking of Manou. Pretty much all other shield keepers are long shots or just getting into it.