***Official*** Australia in England (The Ashes)

[marc71178]

The comments have apparently been made by brother and manager Jason Warne. Warne said he is to get back to his brother and has not spoken to him in the past seven days.

The reality behind the story is not completely clear. Specially on the face of remarks made by Warne.

So why immediately blame the British for it then?

 

[12th Man]

The comments have apparently been made by brother and manager Jason Warne. Warne said he is to get back to his brother and has not spoken to him in the past seven days.

The reality behind the story is not completely clear. Specially on the face of remarks made by Warne.

load of rubbish really,this stroy

 

[Mister Wright]

The comments have apparently been made by brother and manager Jason Warne. Warne said he is to get back to his brother and has not spoken to him in the past seven days.

The reality behind the story is not completely clear. Specially on the face of remarks made by Warne.

Warne had had some bad publicity about the sledging, so his manager decided to put a possible retirement story to the media, the ate it up, meaning the bad story is forgotten about.

 

[Dydl]

It's always Warne isn't it?? I mean if someone had done the same thing in Australian grade cricket, the media wouldn't have made a deal about it. If it was Stuart MacGill playing for Sydney Uni against Randwick Petersham and MacGill acted like Warne did, no-one would make a big deal about it.

Like Warne said somewhere, he would like to be able to lead his life without being on the back cover for every mistake he makes in life and not be pounced on by the media He also said that unfortunately his life would never be like that.

 

[Scallywag]

Who cares what Warne said to the pommy twit, hes gonna get wickets and keep the ashes.

 

[Dasa]

Like Warne said somewhere, he would like to be able to lead his life without being on the back cover for every mistake he makes in life and not be pounced on by the media He also said that unfortunately his life would never be like that.

Can't really blame the media. He's brought attention on himself through his actions over the years, and now they'll be watching his every move..it's just the media doing what they do...

 

[Link]

Who cares what Warne said to the pommy twit

ahem.. english yes, but twit. i wouldnt put prior in that category

 

[Pratters]

So why immediately blame the British for it then?

I havent immediately blamed the British. I have ended it with a 'question mark' which shows it is merely speculation.

 

[Richard]

Had Croft retired from test cricket by 2002/03? I know that he has done at least twice, but the exact dates escape me.

As for the India tour, I'd be very surprised if Dawson and Croft were originally in the squad as well as Giles. I can't remember any other Asian tour recently when we've taken more than two spinners.

I really don't know where this Croft-has-retired-twice comes from. Unless he retired before 1998, he certainly hasn't.
As far as I can see many people seem to have mistaken his pulling-out of the 2001\02 India tour because his wife got hysterical about him visiting a place a few hundred miles from the warring Afghanistan as a retirement.
And yes, all 3 were originally in the squad for India, see here. As tec has pointed-out, Giles was certainly injured and missed The First Test because of it.

 

[Richard]

giles was in the squad, but he was still not fully fit from his Achilles injury and even missed the first test in india. they picked 2 off spinners in richard dawson and martin ball, both of whom were horrible.

Ball was called in to replace Croft when his wife made him pull-out, and is certainly a better bowler than Dawson.

 

[Richard]

Ashley Giles. Against so many teams, he churns out overs, building pressure from one end. Historically, Australia does not let that happen. If Australia get on top of hiim, and take him "downtown", suddenly a lot more pressure is put on England's fourth seamer, Jones/Anderson/whoever, who is yet to be proven and will also be targetted.

Giles has been got after of times. Only, of course, on non-turners; you go after Giles on a turner, especially when you're as poor against spin as so many of the Australians are, you'll pay for it most likely sooner rather than later.

 

[Richard]

Hope Collingwood plays, i remember that ODI hundred he got in perth, definatley has a good attitude, will hopefully play alot more for England

Hopefully he won't play too many more ODIs, and certainly I'd imagine he'll not get anywhere near the Test-team in the immidate future.
Thank God.

 

[Link]

Hopefully he won't play too many more ODIs, and certainly I'd imagine he'll not get anywhere near the Test-team in the immidate future.
Thank God.

'thank god he's not in the team' . to win ODI matches you need a balance of players, some players get rewarded more for their more apparent roles. Collingwood's role is to play around the big hitters and rotate the strike. I can’t remember how many times ive seen him come in and rotate the strike without wasting too many balls. his average probably does not pay testament to his ability because when he comes in, he has to sacrifice his wicket.

 

[Scaly piscine]

'thank god he's not in the team' . to win ODI matches you need a balance of players, some players get rewarded more for their more apparent roles. Collingwood's role is to play around the big hitters and rotate the strike. I can’t remember how many times ive seen him come in and rotate the strike without wasting too many balls. his average probably does not pay testament to his ability because when he comes in, he has to sacrifice his wicket.

As I keep saying the fact that Motson and tooextracool dislike Collingwood means he has to be a worthy addition to the team.

 

[wpdavid]

I really don't know where this Croft-has-retired-twice comes from. Unless he retired before 1998, he certainly hasn't.
As far as I can see many people seem to have mistaken his pulling-out of the 2001\02 India tour because his wife got hysterical about him visiting a place a few hundred miles from the warring Afghanistan as a retirement.

IIRC Croft's first retirement was after he wasn't selected to tour Pakistan in 2000, but he was talked out of it when Salisbury was such a disaster and subsequently went to SL.

EDIT
Yup, the Cricinfo overview of his career says much the same. And then he retired for a second time after not getting a game in 2003/04. India in 2001/02 had nothing to do with it.

 

[Link]

interesting point, and for that matter of course he is valuable, hell i might have to find space in my signiture, someone has to show some apperciation.

Cape Town 2003, England v Pakistan...... Anderson yes..... but also Collingwood we are indebted to you great knock, kept us in the game

 

[BoyBrumby]

IIRC Croft's first retirement was after he wasn't selected to tour Pakistan in 2000, but he was talked out of it when Salisbury was such a disaster and subsequently went to SL.

EDIT
Yup, the Cricinfo overview of his career says much the same. And then he retired for a second time after not getting a game in 2003/04. India in 2001/02 had nothing to do with it.

Hmmm. Both scenarios a bit toys/pram...

 

[Mister Wright]

Giles has been got after of times. Only, of course, on non-turners; you go after Giles on a turner, especially when you're as poor against spin as so many of the Australians are, you'll pay for it most likely sooner rather than later.

Name the Australian batsman who are poor against spin...

 

[Link]

Name the Australian batsman who are poor against spin...

Glenn McGrath

 

[Mister Wright]

Glenn McGrath

I'll rephrase. Name the Australian Batsmen (who are in the side for their batting) who are poor against spin...