***Official*** Australia in England (The Ashes)

[FaaipDeOiad]

I hope SW has duly noted that lbw decision...

Not much wrong with it really. Hawkeye said it was hitting, but with the angle Vaughan bowls from there's a fair amount of doubt when someone gets that far forward and there's a bit of turn. He'd have to hit someone closer to the stumps to get an lbw, I'd think.

 

[nick-o]

Bit stupid to declare if the light was fading and you can only get three overs from your opening bowlers.

Would've been better to bat on, take the thing beyond doubt, and build more pressure for tomorrow.

This England team is conservative about declaring anyway, but the timing today was a bit pointless...

 

[Slow Love™]

Looked like a very good shout on Langer, with no shot played.

A few deliveries keeping pretty low.

 

[Beleg]

Draw is well on the cards here, and I am not sure who is to blame for that.

 

[Shane Warne]

Draw is well on the cards here, and I am not sure who is to blame for that.

Not at all.

An England win is well on the cards, the draw is only a slight possiblity.

It was never a given that England would take a wicket tonight, so it really doesn't change anything.

 

[Anil]

Draw is well on the cards here, and I am not sure who is to blame for that.

the rain?

 

[Shane Warne]

I hope SW has duly noted that lbw decision...

It was close, but Warne's were closer.

 

[Shane Warne]

All a bit surreal this, England declare setting Australia a world record target and England are bowling 2 spinners with a new ball...

The irony is that Vaughn created the most problems though.

 

[Slow Love™]

Draw is well on the cards here, and I am not sure who is to blame for that.

Dunno, I still feel like Australia is staring defeat in the face. I'd love a draw, but it's still very hard to see it without some kind of weather interruption tomorrow (and by the sounds of things, rain isn't likely).

It could potentially be very interesting in the final session though, should we still be batting and the light gets a little dubious. Bucknor can be pretty quick to offer it.

 

[luckyeddie]

Not much wrong with it really. Hawkeye said it was hitting, but with the angle Vaughan bowls from there's a fair amount of doubt when someone gets that far forward and there's a bit of turn. He'd have to hit someone closer to the stumps to get an lbw, I'd think.

I thought that it was a huge risk to take, and I really wouldn't have been surprised to have seen it given. Bucknor HATES pad-play almost as much as Billy does.

I think that Vaughan and Giles will have an awful lot of bowling to do tomorrow - suffice to say I reckon an Australian win is most unlikely given that the wicket is absolutely ideal for finger-spin.

Look for Simon Jones to be key though.

 

[Shane Warne]

England should be pretty much jogging/running to get into position to bowl again.

Did you hear what Benaud said about the type of comment you just made?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Not much wrong with it really. Hawkeye said it was hitting, but with the angle Vaughan bowls from there's a fair amount of doubt when someone gets that far forward and there's a bit of turn. He'd have to hit someone closer to the stumps to get an lbw, I'd think.

Well lets put it this way, if he left another one or two like that the umpire would give it.

I hope Vaughan has a bit more faith in his bowling in future - once he gets his rhythm he can get anyone out.

 

[luckyeddie]

The irony is that Vaughn created the most problems though.

Why irony?

It's not always a case of how much you can turn a ball - and Vaughan's a perfectly reasonable offie who can give it a rip.

If it's that Warne didn't take any wickets in the second innings that's troubling you, take (a little) comfort in the fact that he was being used in defensive mode.

 

[Shane Warne]

Well lets put it this way, if he left another one or two like that the umpire would give it. .

For the sake of consistency I hope not considering Warne was turned down time after time.

 

[Shane Warne]

Why irony?

It's not always a case of how much you can turn a ball - and Vaughan's a perfectly reasonable offie who can give it a rip.

If it's that Warne didn't take any wickets in the second innings that's troubling you, take (a little) comfort in the fact that he was being used in defensive mode.

What are you talking about, mr paranoid?

I was giving Vaughn credit because people said how it was pointless declaring when they did because they had to bowl a part time spinner and the fast bowlers didn't get to bowl many overs.

So I was saying that it's not as if Vaughn was poor though because he infact troubled the batsman more than any other bowler.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Tomorrow is actually a great test for both sides. If Australia are going to win this series (as opposed to maybe scraping through it at 2-2), they really need to avoid losing. England will desperately want to win, partially because it's simply been their test and they deserve it, and partially because Australia might well regroup and come out a different side at Trent Bridge.

England should win, but if Australia apply themselves there's no reason someone can't bat for 98 overs on that wicket.

 

[marc71178]

Excellent bowling by Jones.

Six by Gillespie was about the shot of the summer - not a slog but a beautifully executed pull into the stands.

I'd look at one of Flintoff's or Pietersen's, maybe the one into the gantry or the one at Lords off McGrath?

 

[Shane Warne]

I'd look at one of Flintoff's or Pietersen's, maybe the one into the gantry or the one at Lords off McGrath?

I'd look at Gillespies.

 

[Beleg]

I don't think England 'should' win. They have to get 10 wickets, and if even a couple of aussie top-order batsmen get going they are going to have trouble getting ten wickets.

 

[marc71178]

Trescothick is the 5th quickest Englishman to reach 5000 runs and he's done it in the same number of Test matches as Big Viv.

Yet he's apparantly useless according to some forum members.