***Official*** Australia in England (The Ashes)

[King_Ponting]

was it a 'green top' though? if anything ponting got carried away by all of the pre match comments about how the pitch had plenty of moisture in it and england actually considering playing collingwood over giles. if you ask me australia pretty much lost the match before the first ball was bowled.

Although television might be deceptive it did actually look alot like an out and out green top to me.

 

[King_Ponting]

Didn't Brad Williams get that tag?

BBC Sport ran a feature of the eleven "New Bothams" england went through before Flintoff emerged, fingers crossed Australia get a similar wait!

Here's the list...
Phil DeFreitas, 44 Tests, batting ave 14.82, bowling ave 33.57
David Capel, 15 Tests, batting ave 15.5, bowling ave 50.6
Chris Lewis, 32 Tests, bat 23.0, bowl 37.5
Dermot Reeve, 3 Tests, bat 24.8, bowl 30.0
Mark Ealham, 8 Tests, bat 21.0, bowl 28.7
Dominic Cork, 37 Tests, bat 18.0, bowl 29.8
Craig White, 30 Tests, bat 24.4, bowl 37.6
Adam Hollioake, 4 Tests, bat 10.8, bowl 33.5
Ben Hollioake, 2 Tests, bat 11.0, bowl 49.7
Ronnie Irani, 3 Tests, bat 17.2, bowl 37.
Gavin Hamilton, 1 Test, bat 0.0, no wkts

Haha good call on that last one..

 

[aussie]

Not to mention the terrible call to bat first v Bangladesh at Cardiff.

It seems like the mind is made up long before the morning and there's zero flexibility.

well now that they lost the bangladesh everyone will say its a terrible cal, but it was bangladesh no one would have expected it to backfire so significantly....

 

[tooextracool]

Some would say after he lost pigeon he should have changed his mind about bowling first but Ponting must have thought ``well i just bowled these blokes for 2 sub-200 totals in the previous test so they could be some scars

you know, if you look back at Lords, the only reason australia won the test was because of mcgrath and warne. so when mcgrath is out, common sense would tell you that you have to give your best strike bowler(warne) the best of the conditions.

 

[tooextracool]

Didn't Brad Williams get that tag?

BBC Sport ran a feature of the eleven "New Bothams" england went through before Flintoff emerged, fingers crossed Australia get a similar wait!

Here's the list...
Phil DeFreitas, 44 Tests, batting ave 14.82, bowling ave 33.57
David Capel, 15 Tests, batting ave 15.5, bowling ave 50.6
Chris Lewis, 32 Tests, bat 23.0, bowl 37.5
Dermot Reeve, 3 Tests, bat 24.8, bowl 30.0
Mark Ealham, 8 Tests, bat 21.0, bowl 28.7
Dominic Cork, 37 Tests, bat 18.0, bowl 29.8
Craig White, 30 Tests, bat 24.4, bowl 37.6
Adam Hollioake, 4 Tests, bat 10.8, bowl 33.5
Ben Hollioake, 2 Tests, bat 11.0, bowl 49.7
Ronnie Irani, 3 Tests, bat 17.2, bowl 37.
Gavin Hamilton, 1 Test, bat 0.0, no wkts

cant believe that ealham, irani, hollioake(either one) and cork are actually on that list.
out of all the players in that list, only 1(craig white) ever looked like being anywhere near ian botham.

 

[tooextracool]

Although television might be deceptive it did actually look alot like an out and out green top to me.

really? was there actually live grass on it? if there was, there would most certainly have been a lot more seam movement than what we actually saw.

 

[luckyeddie]

cant believe that ealham, irani, hollioake(either one) and cork are actually on that list.
out of all the players in that list, only 1(craig white) ever looked like being anywhere near ian botham.

Don't you start. I've given you a good kicking over that nonsense before

 

[Neil Pickup]

cant believe that ealham, irani, hollioake(either one) and cork are actually on that list.
out of all the players in that list, only 1(craig white) ever looked like being anywhere near ian botham.

They certainly all got the "New Botham" treatment from the English media, Cork in particular when he burst onto the scene with a fifty and 7-for against the Windies.

Would have thought Gough (58 Tests, bat 12.57, bowl 28.39) and Tudor (10 Tests, bat 19.08, bowl 34.39) would've made the list, I certainly remember the references!

 

[BoyBrumby]

They certainly all got the "New Botham" treatment from the English media, Cork in particular when he burst onto the scene with a fifty and 7-for against the Windies.

Would have thought Gough (58 Tests, bat 12.57, bowl 28.39) and Tudor (10 Tests, bat 19.08, bowl 34.39) would've made the list, I certainly remember the references!

Goughie certainly was, although I can't really remember Tudor being called "Another next-next-Botham".

Think at the time Goughie emerged a lot of our lower order (Tuffers, Gus, Mullally) was that poor anyone who could vaguely hold a bat was deemed all-rounder material!

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Even Derek Pringle was labelled the "New Botham"

 

[Jamee999]

Lewis and Daffy, legends.

 

[Shane Warne]

Lewis and Daffy, legends.

Are you prejudice against the caucasion members of the list?

 

[chalky]

Goughie certainly was, although I can't really remember Tudor being called "Another next-next-Botham".

Think at the time Goughie emerged a lot of our lower order (Tuffers, Gus, Mullally) was that poor anyone who could vaguely hold a bat was deemed all-rounder material!

I think Michael Holding called Tudor the "Black Botham" after his 99no against New Zealand. If you taking his batting from that test match & his bowling from his debut in Perth you've got quite a good player.Oh well

 

[BoyBrumby]

Are you prejudice against the caucasion members of the list?

Think he's prejudiced against those who haven't played for Leicestershire!

 

[Jamee999]

It's not because the others haven't played for Leicestershire, It's more because the other ones(Lewis and Daffy) do.

If you know what I mean.

And Daffy turned into a County Stalward (after his little trip oop north)

 

[Neil Pickup]

Goughie certainly was, although I can't really remember Tudor being called "Another next-next-Botham".

Think at the time Goughie emerged a lot of our lower order (Tuffers, Gus, Mullally) was that poor anyone who could vaguely hold a bat was deemed all-rounder material!

It had everything to do with that 99*

 

[Jamee999]

I bet he was distraught getting stranded

 

[BoyBrumby]

I know I woulda been! Always thought it was a little amiss of Thorpey not to give Tudor the strike a bit more so he coulda made three figures, IIRC we won by 7 wickets so it wasn't exactly a close run thing.

Prob never get the chance for one now either.

 

[Jamee999]

He's moved from Surrey to Pikey-land (Essex) now hasn't he?

3 Old-New-Bothams there now : Goughie, Irani and Tudor.

 

[tooextracool]

Lewis and Daffy, legends.

Lewis wasnt that bad IMO. his batting was somewhat overrated and his bowling underrated.