*Official* Australia in England T20s and ODIs

[stumpski]

Collingwood and Anderson going to be rested, I hear. Colly for the next three and Jimmeh for the next two. Odd move while the series is still 'live' - if they're considered to be among the 'best eleven' that is.

 

[TT Boy]

Been dropped but they can't say that as both players are going to the Champions Trophy. Denly should play tomorrow, apparently now fit.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Clarke opening is the only way that he can score at any pace, because he can still score boundaries while the field is up. Still does it worse than most other options though.

 

[pup11]

Clarke opening is the only way that he can score at any pace, because he can still score boundaries while the field is up. Still does it worse than most other options though.

Clarke would only be able to score runs at a fair clip if he brings a change to his mindset, if doesn't do that, then no matter where he bats he is gonna struggle, even when batting in the middle order, he really doesn't need to look to tonk every ball to the boundary, he should just look to improve his placement and consistently work around 1's and 2's and that alone would help him maintain a pretty decent strike-rate.

Been dropped but they can't say that as both players are going to the Champions Trophy. Denly should play tomorrow, apparently now fit.

Should push Bopara back into the middle order and open with Denly and Strauss, and of course it goes without saying that England should pick Rashid for the next game, and maybe even consider Onions for a game or two at some point in this series.

 

[Penguinissimo]

Collingwood and Anderson going to be rested, I hear. Colly for the next three and Jimmeh for the next two. Odd move while the series is still 'live' - if they're considered to be among the 'best eleven' that is.

The series is still alive in mathematical terms only. In every other sense, it's as dead as a dodo.

 

[Penguinissimo]

of course it goes without saying that England should pick Rashid for the next game

You would hope so. Even by the England selectors' ODI standards, dropping Rashid for the last two matches has been an act of staggering randomness.

 

[grecian]

It's ridiculous how much worse the current batting lineup is than that one.

I've been following England for a bitterly long time, and I've never thought we were any good, for people accusing me of rosetintism, but this is by far the worst batting line-up for ODI's we've ever had. Have never thought that every one of them could be dropped for a superior player in English cricket, and that includes Strauss, if you get in make it significant mate because the rest will crumble. It's why I've criticised Oz as well, each of these pitches, so far are pitches that 300 plus scores should of been viable, should their of been just decent batting IMO.

The bowling hasn't been to bad really.

 

[Uppercut]

I've been following England for a bitterly long time, and I've never thought we were any good, for people accusing me of rosetintism, but this is by far the worst batting line-up for ODI's we've ever had. Have never thought that every one of them could be dropped for a superior player in English cricket, and that includes Strauss, if you get in make it significant mate because the rest will crumble. It's why I've criticised Oz as well, each of these pitches, so far are pitches that 300 plus scores should of been viable, should their of been just decent batting IMO.

The bowling hasn't been to bad really.

I'm not sure if you know, but I was talking about the Australian one. Gilchrist, Hayden, Ponting, Symonds and Hodge have been replaced with Watson, Paine, White, Ferguson and Hussey.

The England side, yeah I think you may be right. I don't think Bopara's a bad ODI player, he's just very out of form, and the same could be said of Collingwood. Strauss, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as a good ODI player, he's just in such good touch that he's doing okay. Prior, Shah and Morgan are just seriously crap. Luke Wright's a good number 7.

In the past there's always been a KP, Freddie or Trescothick (or all three). Before that a Knight or a Fairbrother. One player who's really cut out for ODI cricket. Right now, not one.

 

[Julian87]

Hahahaha, that's what you said to me on CricSim. Now people are realizing that I was right all that time.

Yeah. I'm sure you formed that opinion all by yourself lol. You should be off doing homework or weights or something yes?

No, you've got the selective memory. Picking one innings out from 2 years of complete mediocrity as some sort of justification for the fact that he's completely lost the ability to find any gap in the field and can barely hit the white ball off the square.

I'm not normally a stats guy but by God do they back me up here. He averages 35 @ a S/R 68 over the last 24 months. It's a decent average, but NOT at a strike-rate like that. If you shortened it to less months it drops even further, but like I said I'm not going to go on and on about stats.

When I made my post I looked at about his last 6 innings and it really wasn't that bad. A not out century at 90 and a couple of slow fifties. Wasn't so much selective memory, just cbf spending 15 mins looking over stats of Clarke over the last 2 years.

Now 35 @ 68. Is it really THAT bad? No IMO. He has also been shuffled around the side a little bit, and for chunks of that time Ponting has been rested, Symonds has been out and selectors have been trying to convert Hussey into a top order player which is just dumb. I think his role has become a lot harder and his stats reflect that. Yes it is a bit too slow, but IMO, not ridiculously and not worth dropping.

The bigger question is what is the selection policy in the first place. White has done well this series, but he has two team mates much more deserving of a spot in Hodge and Dussey, as is Voges from WA. White averages early 30s in ODD, but has had 3 good games in a row in the top order so it seems all is forgotten.

I think the problem with the bat at this point is less Clarke than the fact that we are missing Brad Haddin at the top of the order.

 

[Pothas]

The England side, yeah I think you may be right. I don't think Bopara's a bad ODI player, he's just very out of form, and the same could be said of Collingwood. Strauss, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as a good ODI player, he's just in such good touch that he's doing okay. Prior, Shah and Morgan are just seriously crap. Luke Wright's a good number 7.

In the past there's always been a KP, Freddie or Trescothick (or all three). Before that a Knight or a Fairbrother. One player who's really cut out for ODI cricket. Right now, not one.

Not entierly sure about this, Strauss has been 'such good touch' for about a year now, he has more than justified his position in the one day side. The problem is that he has no one opening with him. Bopara has managed to create the impression that he is a good ODI player but he has actually done very little, certainly not as an opener.

 

[Pratters]

Strauss has an ordinary List A record. So he has to prove his critics wrong. I don't know how Strauss' ODI career will turn up but it is looking good if you go by the current measure.

 

[GIMH]

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/world-cup-2007/23591-will-andrew-strauss-ever-success-odis.html

 

[Furball]

Strauss is an ordinary List A player and has a pretty ordinary ODI record as well.

However, in his last 10 ODIs since his recall, he's averaging 42, SR 83, 1 ton, 3 50s.

That's not bad going, and at the moment, his place is justified.

 

[GIMH]

That's pretty much what I think

 

[Arjun]

There seems to be a gap in quality between England's Test and ODI specialists. The Test players seem to be very good, though they have trouble adjusting to ODIs, or in some cases, deliberately kept out to conserve their energy for Tests. The ODI specialists, on the other hand, who are not Test standard, appear substandard here. There doesn't seem to be even one quality player among the ODI specialists, unlike in the past when they had the likes of Knight and Fairbrother. They need to have a rethink about these ODI specialists and work out means of making their best players, even Test specialists, ODI-ready. To sum it up, they need to stick to Strauss, drop Shah and get in Cook.

 

[Uppercut]

Not entierly sure about this, Strauss has been 'such good touch' for about a year now, he has more than justified his position in the one day side. The problem is that he has no one opening with him. Bopara has managed to create the impression that he is a good ODI player but he has actually done very little, certainly not as an opener.

I don't really know about Strauss. He was in much the same touch last year after his epic century against New Zealand, but South Africa absolutely tortured him with the ball that straightens from around the wicket. Most here thought he wasn't given the captaincy ahead of KP at the end of the summer because he couldn't guarantee his place in the side. The thought of him playing ODIs was ridiculous.

He's only had success since his twin hundreds in India in November. Even then, he keeps nicking out driving full balls outside off-stump, but for whatever reason Australia aren't bowling to him there. Even then, he's made scores of 12, 63 and 47, so it's not like he's tearing up the joint. He's benefitted from being the best of a bad bunch; I don't think I'm alone in thinking that he'd scored more runs than that.

I'm not questioning his place in the team, because England don't have anyone better. But he's not a convincing ODI player.

 

[Scaly piscine]

The new free-flowing Strauss is a good enough ODI player.

Bopara, Prior and Shah on the other hand are just unrelentingly ****e. In Test cricket you can carry passengers to an extent, you can't in ODIs - particularly batsmen. Batsmen will get out playing aggressive shots to push the run-rate, so you need to keep the decent batsmen coming. With those three you're lucky if they must 50 between them - and then it will rarely be fast. Even top batting line-ups will struggle to score the remaining 220-3/4 type score off 35 overs.

 

[King Pietersen]

Ferguson at 7 =/ Bit of a waste as far as Australia are concerned. No way that Clarke, White or Hussey should be batting ahead of Ferguson. Been Australia's best player for me.

Denly for Collingwood, Rashid for Swann and Broad for Anderson are Englands changes. Not sure how Bresnan gets in ahead of Swann.

 

[Uppercut]

No way Clarke should be playing tbh.

 

[Pizzorno]

How has Bresnan survived in this line-up? I'd say the same about Prior but it's not like they're gonna bring a new keeper in. Even though they should.