***Official*** Australia in England 2018

[stephen]

Rather than being the best ODI team ever, I think this team perfectly represents all that has gone wrong with JAMODIs

Yep, need to give something back to the bowlers. Balls that swing, outfielders, force bats to have a lead weight in them. Just something so that the batsmen can't just swing through the line at length balls and see the ball sail over the fence.

 

[Cow]

Could see the world record today.

 

[91Jmay]

England are probably favorites given it is at home, but our bowling attack is so weak we can lose against anyone with a slight blip with the bat. I fancy India's experience. Aus would need to pick a different team to compete, however they literally can so you can't draw any conclusions from this. Some genuinely bobbins cricketers on display here though.

 

[Jack1]

That six was off an inside edge. I think we need to start drug testing the bats.

It's just the power of the players these days, plus great form and timing. They do a lot of gym work and other training now.

That looks run out to me, incredibly stupid from Roy. Really dumb.

 

[Jack1]

I'd take England over India any day. Which means the latter is going to go on and win the whole thing with some miracle performance from Kohli in the final. I can't stand him. But those two are favourites. I would have put SA up there except for a) getting cleaned out at home and b) ABdV retiring.

Kohli is an incredible player, he is very annoying but as a purest I enjoy watching him bat...sometimes..haha

 

[stephen]

Well that was the only way that partnership was going to break. Time for bed for me.

 

[Mike5181]

There is an option to rate them between the best ever and not rating them at all. England are the best current ODI team, it's also England's best ever ODI team and possibly the best ever ODI team full stop. It's definitely the best ever ODI team (from any counter) with the bat in my view and good in the field too with ok bowling.

Australia had McGrath, Lee, Warne, Gillespie, Bracken, Hogg, etc. It's not even a contest.

 

[91Jmay]

Jason Roy. Never change

 

[Cow]

Cant see Aus chasing anything over 260. They're a horse and cart team in a motorised world.

 

[Jack1]

Yep, need to give something back to the bowlers. Balls that swing, outfielders, force bats to have a lead weight in them. Just something so that the batsmen can't just swing through the line at length balls and see the ball sail over the fence.

The other argument is the batsman have improved an immense amount and the bowlers haven't at all. The bowlers aren't more skilled than they used be, but the batsman are far more skilled in all senses and more powerful. My opinion is that the bowlers simply have to get better and shouldn't get any extra help. There should be more bowlers out their that can land it anywhere they want over and over. It surprises me there aren't more accurate and more skilled bowlers out there.

 

[Starfighter]

It's just the power of the players these days, plus great form and timing. They do a lot of gym work and other training now.

It's really the bats. The sweet spot is much larger - I think about 5x larger - and the edges are much thicker so even mishits carry. It means that said strong players don't have to sacrifice power for technique, and can get away with risks with impunity.

Good grief, Finch is bowling.

 

[Jack1]

Finch looks an alright bowler, never seen him bowl before I don't think.

 

[Cow]

Nothing to do with bats and balls. It's about the gulf in talent and mentality between the teams.

 

[trundler]

It's really the bats. The sweet spot is much larger - I think about 5x larger - and the edges are much thicker so even mishits carry. It means that said strong players don't have to sacrifice power for technique, and can get away with risks with impunity.

Good grief, Finch is bowling.

Edges going for sixes pisses me off the most. Plus, it means many batsmen are flattered by their stats and makes past players look like nothing. They need to regulate bats somehow.

 

[Starfighter]

The other argument is the batsman have improved an immense amount and the bowlers haven't at all. The bowlers aren't more skilled than they used be, but the batsman are far more skilled in all senses and more powerful. My opinion is that the bowlers simply have to get better and shouldn't get any extra help. There should be more bowlers out their that can land it anywhere they want over and over. It surprises me there aren't more accurate and more skilled bowlers out there.

Complete bollocks. Bowlers these days have far in the way of variations at their disposal, and more bowlers are good at executing them than even ten years ago. The level of accuracy you are asking for is simply not possible.

Thank, back in the nineteenth century bowlers only used finger spin and averaged in the teens. Now they have several different types of slower ball, reverse swing sometimes and so on and averages and scoring rates are higher than ever.

 

[Borges]

To give something back to the bowlers, the first step would be to ban the Kookaburra.
The West Indians did that recently, and two test matches were all that it took to make WI look like a good place to play cricket.

 

[Jack1]

It's really the bats. The sweet spot is much larger - I think about 5x larger - and the edges are much thicker so even mishits carry. It means that said strong players don't have to sacrifice power for technique, and can get away with risks with impunity.

Good grief, Finch is bowling.

How can you gauge it though? 'm quite sure International batsmen have always had bats with enormous sweet spots and tried to get the best wood and bat maker available . Club batsmen can get great bats now, but I'd imagine international players have always had incredible bats. I'm not sure how to gauge it as a result.

As for the players, they are a lot powerful and stronger now (and more shot range/skill). Cricket is far more professional now. I compete in a strength sport at elite level and people always query my bat when I play club cricket and start hitting boundaries. I just hit the ball really hard with a fast swing speed.

 

[Jack1]

Complete bollocks. Bowlers these days have far in the way of variations at their disposal, and more bowlers are good at executing them than even ten years ago. The level of accuracy you are asking for is simply not possible.

Thank, back in the nineteenth century bowlers only used finger spin and averaged in the teens. Now they have several different types of slower ball, reverse swing sometimes and so on and averages and scoring rates are higher than ever.

Why isn't it possible? Why aren't there more bowlers capable of McGrath like accuracy? Or bowling Yorkers over and over. It's just practice and all these guys do is play cricket.

Variations aren't always effective, sometimes we see too many variations...especially too many slower balls at times. We see no where near enough Yorkers.

 

[Jack1]

450 possibly on the cards here after this start from Hales.

 

[Top_Cat]

A nightmare list to face with a nightmare (for Aussie fans) bowling group. Paddlin' coming.