*Official* Australia in decline thread

[duffer]

The gloating would more be because Aus lost, no matter who beat them. Either way, it's boring.

Yeah, because you guys lose sooo sooo oftne right? Just cop it mate, every other team's fans get it just as bad.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I thought itduzz was a Pakistani fan?

At times, I think he actually dislikes Australia more than he likes Pakistan.

(WRT cricket teams, obviously - not the countries themselves).

 

[Top_Cat]

Yeah, because you guys lose sooo sooo oftne right? Just cop it mate, every other team's fans get it just as bad.

Completely missing the point. It's not the gloating per se, just the extra threads in which to do it.

 

[duffer]

Ah just like all the India hate/BCCI hate somehow finds it way through half of CC on certain days?

 

[Top_Cat]

Ah just like all the India hate/BCCI hate somehow finds it way through half of CC on certain days?

BCCI hate, sure. And they pollute CW as much and have turned away plenty of guys who used to be regular posters too.

 

[Prince EWS]

People actually treating itduzz seriously? Might be time to actually warn him for the trolling he constantly does then.

Cut it out mate.

 

[NUFAN]

The era has somewhat ended..

I mean, we used to have a team with 10 guys over 30 years of age. Now we are picking some younger guys who don't have the first class stats to normally get an Australian gig.

Australia are still a good cricket team, but we aren't going to do anything insane again and win something like 16 straight for a while.

 

[pup11]

Right, that's it. Someone ban SS please?

Seconded!!

 

[pup11]

Yeah, because you guys lose sooo sooo oftne right? Just cop it mate, every other team's fans get it just as bad.

Look there is no big deal if cricket fans of the other teams rub it in into the Aussie fans whenever Australia lose,me and i am sure none of the other Aussie fans would have any problems with that either, but to come up with a "Australia on a decline or End of the Aussies era" threads everytime they lose is just so lame, if anyone is that hell-bent on doing it then just dig up an old thread on this topic (because there are a lot of em' in existence), but ffs why do someone have to start a new thread like this everytime the Aussies lose.

 

[Mister Wright]

I certainly don't think Australia will be the force they once were, and I think the most important thing will how guys like Lee, Clarke & Hussey have played for a fairly long time in a winning culture, and it will be important how they handle the bad losses, as they wouldn't be used to them. We have seen some friction on the field. Ponting's captaincy will be tested, Nielsen's position will constantly be under pressure and players' form will be scrutinised a little bit more if Australia aren't winning regularly. Already in the last year or so, we have seen something like 8 or 9 debutants, where I think we went close to 15 years, where they was only 10 or something.

I still think over the next year or so we'll still be a good team at home, but we cannot expect to just walk into countries and win. The selectors need to be very smart in their choices. Picking players like Siddle is just ridiculous when you've got somebody like Noffke still playing in Australia.

I don't think it's the end of an era, but definitely an end to the 'aura', which is understandable with names like Warne, McGrath and Gilchrist all retired.

 

[masterblaster]

I'd still back Australia to beat the likes of New Zealand, West Indies and Pakistan quite comfortably. It'd be an even contest against South Africa and England, and they'd struggle against Sri Lanka and India but still might come out on top. Australia aren't in a bad position at all, they've just encountered a team that outplayed them in this game.

 

[duffer]

Look there is no big deal if cricket fans of the other teams rub it in into the Aussie fans whenever Australia lose,me and i am sure none of the other Aussie fans would have any problems with that either, but to come up with a "Australia on a decline or End of the Aussies era" threads everytime they lose is just so lame, if anyone is that hell-bent on doing it then just dig up an old thread on this topic (because there are a lot of em' in existence), but ffs why do someone have to start a new thread like this everytime the Aussies lose.

Like I said to TC, just like every thread that has anything to do with the ICC or more recently with 20/20 is basically seen as a front for bashing the BCCI/them Indians ruining cricket.

Face it, everyone wants to see the Aussies come back down to Earth and while they are still the strongest team this type of thing will happen. Nothing to get your knickers in a knot over and have a sook about.

 

[SJS]

There is absolutely nothing surprising about Australia's decline, the fact that their bowling has declined so sharply and the timing of it.

Just look at this.


- Just Over three years ago - September 2005

A quick study of the composition of the Australian side over the last fiftenn years shows a very interesting trend.

I took 6 batsmen, one wicket keeper and four bowlers for each year by the simple method of choosing those who played most test matches during the year. And tracked the changes in the side over this time. It showed many intersting things one of which was the phasing out of the old and the replenishment with fresh blood.

Here are the years and the new ball bowlers who went out of the side (even though they may have played an odd game or two).

1991 : Alderman
1991 : Rackmann
1992 : Reid
1993 : --------
1994 : Hughes
1995 : -------
1996 : McDermott
1997 : -------
1998 : Reiffell
1999 : --------
2000 : --------
2001 : -------
2002 : -------
2003 : -------
2004 : ------- --(unless one wants to include Bichel)

And what of fresh blood induction??

1994 : McGrath
1995 : ---------
1996 : Gillespie
1997 : ----------
1998 : Kasprowicz
1999 : ---------
2000 : Lee
2001 : -------
2002 : --------
2003 : -------
2004 : -------
2005 : --------

The problem is self evident. There is a shortage of (numbers in)* quality fast bowlers coming up and, I dare say, even the quality is going down.

Note : Since then 2006, 2007 and 2008 have come and almost gone. The names have got added to the retirees in McGrath, Gillespie, Kasprowitz (kind of) but no great addition to new entrants. Even if one adds Stuart Clarke, the cupboard still looks bare over the eight years since Lee made his debut.​

Just Under three years ago - December 2005

How long will the Aussies last ?

.....I suspect not beyond 2008.

A Year and a half ago - July 2007

Yes I agree.

But its relative isnt it. My Opel Astra seemed so damn fast when I bought it many years ago but fatser cars have come to India now. The Opel hasnt gone to sleep. The manager who inherited it from me is thrilled with it (he had a Maruti-Suzuki 800 before) but my Accord V6 is a zipper.

I think the Australians are being made to last FOREVER by stagnant, even declining, overall standards. With the gap there was to start with, its not surprising is it.

Play this Aussie side (at their current career stage and ages) against Steve Waugh's side of five years ago and the difference will be stark.

- Exactly one year ago - October 2007

They may still be dominant that would depend upon others. They are certainly not the team they were.

Yes Australia are dominant and will remain until others catch up. That will be the case whether Australia remain as good better or worse than they were.

When I said Australia are not the team they were it had nothing to do with there recent results. The very fact that they have lost Warne and McGrath makes their atttack not as good as it was. If any one thinks that isnt the case and that this Australian bowling side is as good as the one they had for last five years, I am afraid I must shut up and take to some other sport.

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[Arjun]

Australian cricket....R.I.P

Discuss!!!

Is this some sort of a joke? If so, it's not funny at all!

India won big. Australia lost big. It was one match. There are two matches left. Hardly laughing matter. They're not the force they were once before, but they've not hit minnow-level like some other teams.

 

[Matt79]

Why hasn't itduzz been banned for good yet? All he does is troll the Aussie fans here. Must be a very sad person to feel the need to bolster his own self-esteem by bagging out people he's never met because of something a team he doesn't support did to another team he doesn't support.

If anyone can give me a link to one post or thread started by itduzz that wasn't trolling, I'll withdraw my accusation that he's a weird loser troll.

 

[Richard]

Aye, have thought that several times.

Anyway can this be merged with the official thread which contains about 5 itduzz mergers already?

EDIT: yes it can.

Every month, pretty well, for the past 6 years, there has been a new "development" in the "Australia in decline" saga. Occasionally one is true; mostly they're false.

In seriousness - until this series has been lost let's wait until we start trying to write the next chapter?

Although it should be noted that this is only the second time Australia have gone behind in a Test series (ie, lost a live Test which is not the last of the series to take the score from level to: <Opposition team> - <Score=x+1>; Australia - <Score=x>) since 1999/2000 (the other being 2005 of course) so it is an event of some magnitude. It's also the first time they've gone 1-0 down since the same series.

Also, should they lose this series it'd be their first loss on the subcontinent for 8 years - in the previous 11 years they'd been beaten in the subcontinent 3 times (though the 1st of these was hardly an accurate reflection of the cricket played in the series).

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

FFS you idiot ****s, ban itduzz.

 

[Salamuddin]

Key for me is whether India can actually back up from this, play well in the remaining two tests and win the series.


Australia will bounce back - they are still a very good team. India had better be ready.

 

[Richard]

FFS you idiot ****s, ban itduzz.

Bear in mind when thinking the above post over posts like this:

I love that India won because they played so well. It's great cricket to watch and good for cricket in general. But if the consequence is pointless, gloating threads like this, no kidding, I'm done with CW until the series is over at least.

If itduzz's idiot anti-Australia rhetoric was treated by taking no notice then fine, let him get on with it, gives us all a laugh, and keeps the Mods on their toes with the merge button. But when it starts risking driving away posters who number among the best on the forum... gotta think about disposing of it IMO.

 

[Prince EWS]

Bear in mind when thinking the above post over posts like this:

If itduzz's idiot anti-Australia rhetoric was treated by taking no notice then fine, let him get on with it, gives us all a laugh, and keeps the Mods on their toes with the merge button. But when it starts risking driving away posters who number among the best on the forum... gotta think about disposing of it IMO.

Yeah, AWTA. Have generally just ignored itduzz because no-one has actually taken him seriously before, but if people are generally getting annoyed by his posts, it's time to have a close look at him. Should probably stop talking about this in the open I guess but I thought I'd make a comment so the discussion could move past it and people could be assured it has been brought to our attention.